ever watch “into the abyss”?

pretty much anyone involved with the actually carrying out of taking a humans life because the system gave them an expiration date seems visibly fucked up about the whole process

some shit about fighting monsters and becoming one yourself

i am a bigger fan of exile, we should bring that back

Wow, that's interesting. And yeah, exile seems more humane.

The idea of exile is cool but then you've gotta put them all in the same place and that's how you get fucked up countries like Australia

Australia is cooler than the UK

british people sound like faggots, australians sound hilarious

also australia gave us mel gibson

i could do with some more australias

For every Mel you get a Jim Jefferies and a Jason Ellis, but its almost worth it.

ill take those odds

I am a big fan of the golden rule, if you want to kill people we will return the favor.

thats not how the golden rule works you stupid fuck

vengeance is mine said the lord

your job is to treat people the way you would want to be treated

Well if I kill your family for no reason, I except you to kill me and I would do the same to you.

How bout i kill you now and prevent the risk to my family?

Take your best shot, your family has nothing to worry about from me as long as they dont kill any or mine

im just saying eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind

I think it's more of a balancing act. Checks and balances

ok well thats not the words of christ

I except you to kill me

What if I just smash your banjo, you toothless inbreed?

You can try all you want fat body

Hammurabi's code

It's really both. Just cause its "golden" doesnt mean it applies to the nice parts of life

We need to build a giant cannon so we can just launch people into space

start with baghdadi with pat Robertson tied to his leg

Haven't seen it, but the TV series "On Death Row (same director, same subject) is really good.

abolish it.

What's wrong with it?

It costs way too much money after all the appeals (more than just life in prison) and it doesn't change anything or bring anyone back. Life without parole is worse and cheaper for the government. I eagerly await you saying there shouldn't be so many appeals.

That's right, there should be no more appeals for the death penalty than for life. Do you have an argument otherwise?

If there's no question of someone's guilt

That's the point of appeals, to establish this so I don't even understand where you're coming from with that. The US has executed plenty of Bobos before. I'd rather someone who was wrongfully convicted not get killed. Justice =/= revenge

The question of sentencing is separate from that of guilt. Besides, I think it's more cruel to let an innocent man rot for life. It's also unnecessarily cruel to force someone to sit on death row for decades before killing them.

It's also unnecessarily cruel to force someone to sit on death row for decades before killing them.

So if they're a complete danger to society just lock them up and throw away the key. Taking someone else's life does nothing to change the past. We've both agreed that life in prison is more cruel and you want to punish people so let's punish them.

You keep attributing things to me I've never said, which makes it hard to have an exchange of ideas. I don't care about revenge. I consider it unethical and flat out stupid to use hard working people's money to house, feed and provide medical care to violent sociopaths so they can be miserable. It does nothing for anyone.

You're ignoring the reality of the situation which is the inevitable cost of the death penalty so the argument should end there but it won't because you're a bootlicking faggot. I really tried to reason with you but you're just being a dick. You know what does nothing for anyone? Killing someone. "Yeah but this guy was definitely guilty." So many wrongful convictions and that sucks but at least they won't die on top of it.

Again, life in any real prison is more of a punishment than a speedy execution.

"You know what does nothing for anyone? Killing someone." It does, though. It saves tons of money and may have the added bonus of a deterrent effect.

It saves tons of money

This is demonstrably false and your only response is "well it shouldn't cost that much." Also if life in prison is worse wouldn't that be even more of a punishment? I eagerly await your response.

Cops need to do a better job of killing these guys on the spot when they catch them red-handed like this. Save us all a bunch of time and money.

I share your sentiment but the cops aren't the problem. They do their jobs then the courts give the criminals a slap on the wrist

Right, so kill them. If you’re responding to some mass shooting and the guy comes out with his hands up, shoot him. Say your finger slipped or he was reaching for a gun or something. No one will be mad about it.

No argument there

the cops aren't the problem. They do their jobs then the courts give the criminals a slap on the wrist

the cops are the problem. like all the people that are committing the crimes, which sometimes are cops.

even good cops are the problem when the stand down or dont enforce laws equally across the board, or they show up drunk pissed at their cunt baby mom

cops are people and the majority of people are faggots, also people drawn to positions of power have a much higher concentration of faggotry per capita

My comment was in the context of cops being soft on crime, not overall goodness.

cops being soft on crime is a fallacy

cops are out their every day writing a bunch of traffic tickets

they are soft on certain kinds of crime that requires real police work and in turn more paper work because they are lazy pigs

cops are the mods of real life

This old insane roomate I had had drawn up diagrams of a powered wheelchair(no license plates) in which you could cruise up to the fuzz and stick 'em with dirty needles before hitting the NOS and getting out of there to go find the next pig. After that we'd need something to get rid of the old junkies...I don't know much about food chains..

The death penalty should be common. It's not even a worse punishment than life, just scarier. The justice system is soft as hell in general and has blood on its hands for its revolving door policies.

I got a c note that says your a bootlicking boomer faggot.

A "c note"? Really?

Not a boomer and how does being tough on crime equal bootlicking?

1. You're definitely at least 40. 2. The death penalty isn't being tough on crime because it's a gigantic waste of time, money, and resources. You saying the cops do their jobs but the courts let people off easy is basically the definition of a bootlicker. "Maybe he wouldn't have gotten shot if HE WAS FOLLOWING THE LAW." Guess what, most of the laws are retarded and you're an aging bootlicker.

Why do you think I'm over 40 and why would it matter? I'm trying to have an actual discussion and you're just avoiding everything like a baby and hurling gay insults like "bootlicker". You can't articulate your points, largely because you're wrong.

Alright, I'll stop insulting you because it's not helping and you are absolutely over 40 but I digress. I'm not wrong at all, the death penalty is a complete waste of money because it costs too much to go through all of the due processes and appeals. Is it really helpful to the family of the murder victim if the guy gets executed 24 years later? No, it just keeps the wound open for so long while it stays in the news. Like I said before justice is not revenge and I earnestly think you believe it is which is why I called you a bootlicker. Which again, I apologize for and I won't insult you anymore but you seem to have an archaic "MAYBE HE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG THEN" attitude. You never addressed the fact that I said most of our laws are retarded.

I've already addressed the money argument. There's no rationale for the death penalty being more expensive than life in prison, so that should be fixed. "Most of our laws are retarded." Okay, are you gonna make a list or something to show this?

And I'm saying that you sincerely cannot execute people without 100% establishing their guilt so they should be entitled to appeals like everyone else. I truly believe in the jury system not reactionary stake sharpening, sorry. The US has killed a few retards in our day because the people were clamoring for "justice." Lol there was that one dude who only played with trains on death row and did not even grasp the concept he was going to die. Needless to say he was 100% innocent.

"Most of our laws are retarded."

Adultery is illegal in NY, plenty of states have laws like you can't ride your horse on Main Street on Mondays. Weed is illegal but I can smoke Marlboros until I die.

You've yet to give any reason why the appeals process should be lengthier in death penalty cases. There's no reason why it should take a decade to establish guilt, especially with DNA, cameras everywhere, cell phone records, etc. So many cases are open and shut.

As far as most laws being retarded, even if I agreed with those examples you've named three. You'll need a lot more retarded laws to get to "most".

Because when death is involved the stakes are way higher? Which is why most people will fight it more as opposed to taking a plea deal for a bullshit charge like intent to distribute because you happened to have two different bags of weed on your person. It's a pillar of our democracy, sorry that I believe in due process. 1. Literally all drug laws are retarded. 2. Most traffic violations are a motherfucking shakedown. 3. All resisting arrest and obstruction of justice charges are just a way for cops to man handle you while they steal from you. 4. As long as civil forfeiture exists the cops can go fuck themselves. If I have 25k on me it should not be my responsibility to prove that it's legal but the exact opposite. You know, innocent before proven guilty? The thing our entire justice system is based on. Seriously, even try to defend civil forfeiture. Police can legally rob you when they;'re not shaking you down to increase the state's bottom line.

Death is always involved. The guys being sentenced to life are still going to die, it's just gonna happen more slowly and after decades of misery. I don't see how that benefits anyone.

As far as the other stuff, you sound like a freeman or libertarian. I really can't understand that mindset, honestly. I don't get the huge victim mentality.

Because if the point is to deter crime, like you said, wouldn't the most severe punishment that we both agreed upon be apt? As far as the other stuff, you sound like an intellectually defunct boomer Republican who thinks the laws are infallible and the cops are here to protect you. I'm not saying I'm a victim at all, just that most of the rules (collecting extra tax money) infringe on my natural rights as a human.

"Because if the point is to deter crime, like you said, wouldn't the most severe punishment that we both agreed upon be apt"

No because, as I said initially, the death penalty is scarier than prison.

I don't get why you keep attributing these strawmen views to me. I never claimed laws are infallible (wouldn't the enforcement of the law be the matter at hand anyway?) and would say that one of the reasons we have police is protection of the citizenry, yes.

Stop saying strawman, I get it you're right and I'm wrong but fuck, stop using your boomer buzzwords.

and would say that one of the reasons we have police is protection of the citizenry, yes.

That's the same thing as saying the laws are infallible. You're placing too much trust in a system designed to steal money from you. It has been ruled over and over again in court that cops have no legal duty to protect you. I'm assuming your pro gun so I can't go there but the police are for the state, not the people.

The police ARE people, retard. Do you have any conception of a society whose government, even at a local level, isn't completely tyrannical? Every paternal authority figure has to be an evil oppressor to you faggots.

See now you're straw manning me. And yes I think overall our system is better than most, if not all, of the world but the cops being focused on raising revenue instead of protecting us is a huge issue. I'm extremely grateful to have grown up in America and I will never deny that. I absolutely love muh free speech and the Bill of Rights, unironically.

Yeah it only took an hour for me to call you a faggot. I won't be as charitable next time.

Okay "niglet-supreme", you can suck my virile 22 year old dick you motherfucking boomer faggot. Can't wait to see you in hell, homo.

Great boomer radar

Being tough on crime doesn’t make YOU tough. Being pro-torture doesn’t mean that you yourself are a badass. It’s like some dumb bitch screaming “kick his ass babe!”

When did I claim to be tough? Where do you come up with these strawmen?

Stop NEEDLING MEE

Being back public stocks

i think like jail and “dont drop the soap” these days it was just an accepting part of the stockade if your village didnt have a designated guard (who could also just rape you), or you didnt have some family members willing to take shifts protecting your asshole/mouth/pussy

so ever deranged faggot in town become serial petty thieves?

do you realize your mind went to that place by yourself

you are the man in the stockade hoping to get raped, not the fruit thrower

you self hating faggot

Idk, don't molest kids and you would get publicly assblasted

It's fucking horrible and disgusting.

Was a little disappointed Samcro Joe didn’t get it on the people’s court.

They gonna lectric shock SJ

Needs to be extended to pederasts, shitty sci-fi writers, former Black Flag lead singers...

I’m against it. I believe any government entity shouldn’t legally allow the death of any citizen. Yeah, faggots. I’m prolife across the spectrum.

What about illegals?

I believe that illegals aren’t afforded the same constitutional protections and rights as citizens. However, I don’t believe it’s cost efficient to sentence them to death due to our appeal process. Ironically, I am okay with incarcerating illegals, even at the behest of tax payers, as it stats have shown if you deport a criminal without time served the likelihood of them reentering the country is overwhelming.

I was raised as a Quaker. Quakers are strongly against the death penalty. We used to drive to Richmond VA when they would have a death penalty and protest outside.

What would your Quaker family think of our fun and games?

They definitely would not like that racism or meanness. Quakers are basically social justice warriors. They have been SJW's for hundreds of years before the internet was around. They would not like any of this.

We only go after degenerates here, sir.

There was a guy in 80's in the maximum security prison in Marion, Illinois who was there serving a life sentence for murder.

While he was there, he killed another prisoner - because what were they gonna do, make him spend two lifetimes in prison?

Then he killed a guard, because fuck it why not?

I get that current death penalty methods are just brutal torture (the electric chair doesn't magically kill you, it just stops your muscles from breathing so you suffocate to death while setting you on fire; pancuronium bromide feels like fucking fire coursing through your veins - even though we do use it in surgery*), and the US has a bad habit of killing the wrong person (leaving the real one to kill again). I also get that statistically - and it's against common sense - the death penalty tends not discourage crime, and can actually escalate crime ("If I surrender peacefully to the cops, I'm going to die anyway - so fuck it, let's have a shoot out!")

I just don't know why you'd want to let that guard-killing guy live. There's no chance of mistaken identity re: the murders, he's not retarded, and he's just going to sit there waiting until he can kill again. How do you explain to the guards, or the dead guard's family, that he's going to be left to try again? You have an ethical duty of care to prisoners - how do you handle that with this shithead wandering around?

While I accept that there are serious and committed people who work to end the death penalty; I've noticed that they tend to be lawyers working at arm's length from the criminals, rather than as poorly-paid guards in charge of moving a killer out of his cell after he's smeared shit all over it.

* There's a UK politician called Michael Portillo - who's a cunt - and he did a good documentary on the death penalty. He spoke to people who'd been anaesthetised for surgery (only it hadn't worked, and they'd been conscious throughout), and then had Pancuronium Bromide injected. It apparently feels like liquid fire coursing through your veins, but it stops you from moving, so you can't do anything about it. In some cases, it hurts worse than the actual surgery (which again, they were conscious for - he interviewed people who'd won lawsuits, because they were able to quote the surgeon/anaesthetist/nurse's dialogue from when they were supposed to be out).

Oh, and that story of the prisoner who saved part of his last meal to have after the execution - they always roll out as proof people are killing the retarded? Well, his name was Ricky Ray Rector and his story's worth a read - mostly because he wasn't retarded when he was killing people:

Rector left the scene of the murder in a friend's car and wandered the city for three days, staying in the woods or with relatives. On March 24, Rector's sister convinced him to turn himself in. Rector agreed to surrender, but only to Officer Robert Martin, whom he had known since he was a child.[3]

Martin arrived at Rector's mother's home shortly after 3 p.m. and chatted with Rector's mother and sister. Shortly thereafter, Rector arrived and greeted Martin. As Martin turned away to continue his conversation with Rector's mother, Rector drew his pistol from behind his back and fired two shots into Martin, striking him in the jaw and neck. Rector then turned and walked out of the house.

Once he had walked past his mother's backyard, Rector put his gun to his own temple and fired. Rector was quickly discovered by other police officers and taken to the local hospital. The shot had destroyed Rector's frontal lobe.[4]

Ricky Ray Rector

Ricky Ray Rector (January 12, 1950 – January 24, 1992) was executed for the 1981 murder of police officer Robert Martin in Conway, Arkansas.

After killing a man in a restaurant, he at first agreed to turn himself in to authorities, but instead shot the police officer who had negotiated his surrender in the back. He then shot himself in the head in a suicide attempt. The attempt effectively resulted in a lobotomy.A 1991 request for a writ of certiorari to the Supreme Court was denied, with Justice Marshall dissenting.Despite Rector's mental state, then Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton made a point of returning to Arkansas to oversee Rector's January 24, 1992, execution during the 1992 U.S. Presidential campaign.

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Send them to Australia. Worked perfectly last time.

Breivik got 21 years because that's the max sentence there. As far as I understand it it's unlikely that hell be freed, in 21 years he will go before a parole board or some shit where they decide what to do with him.

We should bring back the firing squad

I still stand by my time machine theory for detention. I think we should take the mass murderers and send them back to 9/11. They will technically have a choice of jumping or being vaporized. Then all the regular murderers we just sell into slavery

Against. The chance of executing an innocent person is too great. Also the guilty have no chance at redemption if they’re dead.