But Jim like most addicts turn their addictions into something else. His tend to be perverse sexual addictions. Some people get addicted to going to AA or what ever support group. Some just change it to I guess non destructive addictions. But a majority wind up addicted to something worse or relapsing.

He also suffers from the fact he's a minor celebrity which comes with tons of phony/fake people who want to be your friend, or worse up-and-coming failed comedian girls. Which is why most celebrities date other celebrities or successful people (cough Bonnie).

But Jimmy isn't attractive/together enough to be with a successful person (mostly just holding himself back with his own hangups probably) so he's left with relationships you pay for, which is much simpler for him.

Plus he works all the time to fill the void, where most of us would be reveling in it.

Anyway, it makes some sense when you think about it.

Also these comedians are scared to be boring. It isn't "cool" to be sober, there's not really a funny way to make it part of your personality, so the angle is they're a crazy addict who can't do it because of that. You know after Jim stopped when he was 18 he didn't think about it for 10 years and he remembered he technically went to rehab and can incorporate that into his personality. Same with the sex addiction. He got rub and tugs from massage places and preferred pulling out instead of a condom. He needs the sex addict tag as his comedic schtick, and when people say he switched addictions instead of faking them in the first place, they are buying into it hook line and sinker.

"You know after Jim stopped when he was 18 he didn't think about it for 10 years and he remembered he technically went to rehab and can incorporate that into his personality."

I don't know thay

You think after rehab at age 18 from drinking a few times he came right out as Sobriety-Jim ? Ok...we can agree to disagree.

Where's this "a few times" thing coming from with everyone? From how he described it, he drank quite often.

He didnt. "How he described it" is disproporionate to what he wants people to think. There is no way his stories and the fact that it happened when he was 18 merit the label of "addict" the way he gives it to himself.

He quit at 18. He started, as he says, heavily at 13. Either way, can this sub come up with a conclusive definition of what an alcoholic is? The exact amount of alcohol consumed, the type, for how long, just to clear up any confusion

Youre thinking of Bob Kelly. Who was a little more credible sounding than Norton but I think he started heavily at 13 and quit at 15. But an alcoholic or addict is someone that has let someone get somethign involved in their life that theyre in too deep to stop, or without at least an understandable struggle. This was not the case for Jim Norton, it was typical teenage drinking that everyone does and because he got in trouble and had to go to rehab he throws himself in with people that have gone through lifelong battles into adulthoo that have really known hardship, because theres a fashionableness or "look at me im interesting and tortured" side of it. Maybe you can fin a clip of Jim saying he started heavily at 13 but I've seen a lot of cases of all types of this stuff and this is the category Jim falls in, pretty clearly from hearing him talk about it if you know what youre looking at.

I read it in an interview. Again, you're going on what Jim voluntarily says on the radio. He hasn't talked about every single time he got drunk. I would imagine that Most of those stories would be really boring, just Jim swigging grain alcohol alone, crying, contemplating suicide.

"But an alcoholic or addict is someone that has let someone get somethign involved in their life that theyre in too deep to stop, or without at least an understandable struggle." Who are you to determine that?

Well, its not exactly a win for someone to be in that situation, if it makes you feel good to call yourself whatever you want as long as youre happy, what does it matter what I say? When rehab works the first time as a teenager and you still pontificate on it 40 years later as an entirely different person, its possible there are cases where the person struggles to stay sober and actually has a fear of relapsing that they have to work on constantly, but Jim just comes off as someone that incorporates it into his personality to make himself a more interesting person for turning down a drink rather than just not wanting one. One thing I do remember him saying is he's scared to smoke weed because he did ketamine and it made him "scared he wouldnt ever be able to laugh again". Thats a small example but a type of eye-rolling thing a real opiate addict thats been through the thick of it wouldnt cite 35 years later. And it wouldnt need to be interesting stories it would take to convince me, i'd be at least one thing ever that was insightful on his relationship with alcohol and what made him, at age 18, realize what about his being was so hard to overcome about it, other than him getting in trouble for prank calling the FBI and carrying a into a ghetto neighborhood. He just isn't relatable on the issue in a way that convinces me he has really been there in a way he seems to take credit for.

You're the more qualified drug addict. Will you count that as a win over Jim?

It isn't a win, obviously. It's just a pragmatic thing, if you think he's the voice of addicts then that's that's what you think, I think it's s little off and think I have the experience to back it up. But if you do too and have come to a different conclusion we can agree to disagree. Jim may have been a very tortured young man for all I know.

He was blowing people when he was a child, I'd call that tortured. It's not how much or how long you abuse a substance, its why. If you realize that you use alcohol not as a social lubricant or a means of relaxation, but as a way to deaden yourself from thoughts or feelings, you have a problem. Or, if you develop a binge style of drinking early, where every time you don't stop until blackout, maybe stay away from booze. He knows what an addictive mind is like, since he has one. The collective "you" of people who claim Jimmy wasn't a good enough addict are a strange bunch. I suppose it's the same way I feel when Megan Fox says she's a Star Wars fan, but she has no idea what it was like having kids laugh at your Boba Fett 3-ring binder back in '96

The last sentence sealed the deal that you dont have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Jimmy got through it all just fine and you dont have to worry, but this isnt your best subject. Sorry brothaman.

Brothaman? My fingers feel like they're covered in shit after I type that. Ugh, I was making fun of you with that last sentence. You're bitter that you didn't get the same accolades for beating your addiction that Jim got for beating his. I'm a current addict, by the way, although I doubt I would fit your criteria, and yours is the only accepted criteria.

Yeah I think being addicted to something is a pretty major part of addiction

and anyone is obviously free to call themselves whatever they want to. But if I sense ulterior motives when they talk about it Im probably less apt to give them credit or believe them. Guess we dont have to agree on it

Do you have any experience with this type of thing? I even said its a no win siuation for anyone, if you think Jim is the hardcore addict he says he is, then let him help people, its all great, you just sound a little bit dmb and naive.

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He relapsed once while still in rehab, he's said it on the show multiple times. I understand why people think Jim's addict shtick is an act or an attempt to appear deeper or cooler than he actually is, but personally I've always thought it made sense. When you're 19 it's way easier to get brainwashed into the AA mindset than it is when you're a middle aged, jaded, veteran junky/drunk. He was also influenced by his father, who was in AA himself. Had he continued drinking/using through his 20's I think his recovery story would be much more conventional.

Classic addictive personality

He couldn't have done it on his own. Behind every man there is a great guy wearing makeup and shoving his dick between his legs so that it's not gay

I have radical views on this subject, but I sometimes offend people when I'm drunk & tripping-balls on Temazepam.

He is in the 1% Of being a delusional faggot.
No one quits

Doesn't pretzels with mustard sound like some sort of euphemism?

He said he stopped because he did weird shit like pee in peoples sinks when drunk. 20 years later he peed in Louis CKs oatmeal in studio. He never even fucking changed. He's the same weirdo and alcohol wasnt even a factor.

It's weird in general how Giraldo and Artie are the only 2 addicts from that generation of comics who keep relapsing, while the rest seemingly quit cold turkey decades ago with no problem. You got a couple who never pretended to quit like Stanhope and Ron White i guess.

I guess I'm just wondering why their is such a seemingly high rate of quitting for good vs the general population. Especially considering comics are pretty banged up in the head.

He didn’t give up smoking until well after he gave up drinking... and he only did that because he of that show they did that brought fans in to get medical questions answered. Some dude had a tumor in his mouth from what they thought at the time was cancer from smoking. Jimmy quit that day..