In an age where sex women regret but agreed to is called rape, this is not going to work.

Notice the NYT article never mentioned how he "blocked the door" like the story always went previously. That would probably be the only criminal aspect of it all.

That was the added detail added by the sewing circle so there friend wouldn't stop them and say, "He did what? Why wouldn't you just leave!?"

All these cunts watched a fat Mexican ginger jerk off to hopefully further their joke telling career. Which in itself is funnier than what ever career they hoped to have...

deep down women must be aware of what whores they are, but they keep talking like men aren't aware.

Actually, after thinking about it a bit, they only released part of the story we heard so far.

If he came out and denied doing anything illegal, they might have evidence that he kept "female comics" from leaving and thus, rape and kidnapping.

By keeping half the story hidden, someone could be blackmailing him as well as destroying his name.

Quanspiracy

What Louie did was distasteful. That's not illegal. The fact that they're going to browbeat him into the ground for being no more of a piece of shit than Jim Norton (that is to say, a complete piece of shit but well within the confines of the law) is infuriating.

On the flip side, Louis had been getting stale as fuck since the 2nd season of his show. Maybe this incident will ignite his decaying wit.

Maybe this incident will ignite his decaying wit.

Honestly I think it's the fear of being outed that has him bowing to the lefties.

I thought that as well. And now it might get even worse, if the NYT articles isn't the whole story.

If it were a bunch of tight laced conservatives being outed you might have a point.

However at the present it is nothing but a bunch of degenerate liberals.

You just described why it could work. The extreme left keeps pushing the envelope on insane shit like this further and further, it's only a matter of time before something breaks and people push back.

It might be too early for Louis to attempt something like this but you never know.

They built the identity politics monster in 2012. Now they are having their Dr. Frankenstein moment. But it's not as easy as saying "okay, this is getting absurd" and it stops. Then you're their enemy too. They didn't think this through when they signed on to "every woman must be believed."

Then you're their enemy too.

Obviously, but at this point there's so many people in the enemy category that you could fill a theater for your new special with them.

But what are they going to do about it? They don't want to associate with people like us who hated their bullshit since day one. They'd rather just keep their mouths shut and try to stay in their progessive bubble than admit we were always right.

Look at Kilstein, he's taking issue with online witch hunts, but he's not out there saying "maybe the right has some valid points." He still hates the right.

"I was playing a soulless bugman character"

He should release a video of him jerking off on his website, sell it for $5 with the proceeds going to some sort of rape shelter. Sorted.

Oh hell yeah.

It would send a bigger statement if proceeds were directed to Jim's GoFundMe.

2008 Louie certainly would have a 'well fuck you too' attitude about this

And Joe Rogan would praise him for it. "He puts out a new special every year! Nobody else does that!"

You understand he hasnt been arrested and now has to be proven a criminal beyond a shadow of a doubt- these are women that are complaining that they felt Louis was sexually inappropriate in the greater context that society as a whole has marginalized that complaint for women.

And the notion that this is somehow cannibalistic irony plenty of flack comes from the right on this and the "left" applying the standard to their own isnt some kind of self defeat.

*there own

No, it's "their."

You know what duuuude you got your personal bias and no desire to actually think critically, you got your pompous attitude and ability to talk down to everyone boom dumb people think you're smart.

Ok dum dum.

*dumb dumb Wow. What a well thought out response. To venture upon insult is to admit defeat.

Dude, kys

Ok dum dum. You want to talk about the subject have a point of view and we'll talk about it. You want to say a bunch of fortune cookie shit you think sounds like a point even though it's nebulous pseudo criticism you're a dummy.

I said my point of view, did you not read it? you insulted it, as your kind does, and now you are trying to make me look uninformed and stupid. Go right ahead. Of course your opinion means nothing to me. You only want to get your point out there and not entertain others. that is fine, stupid, but fine. I would think you like the opposition, since you came here to post your thoughts. So it doesn't matter what I say, I lose just by getting into a convo with you who desires not to learn, but that's what I come to the o+a sub for...to lose ...peckahs

Copy and paste the post that showed your point of view on the subject.

Do i work for you? Are you paying me? You aren't. And I don't care what you think. Go back and look if you want. I am too busy watching Hilarious Rich Vos videos on youtube. Where's he gonna be?

Ok dummy.

Wow, you are so creative. Good job

Thankyou.

No problem. Where is Rich Vos going to be?

Who are you Bob Kelly? It is their.

He past. Me present.

"Society has marginalized women" "Women can make accusations without evidence and ruin someone's life"

Your a confused little fella aren't ya?

I didnt say either of those things. Society has marginalized women's complaints of harassment which if you dont think is true go talk to your grandmother about working conditions for women when she was a young lady.
These women are providing evidence- dates, times, corroborating witnesses, and they're making the accusations publicly which is important because an anonymous accusation is very easy to brush off. Also, you're convoluting the process. These women make a complaint, very few of them are able to make criminal complaints, so the standard of evidence is much different. Now, theyre also not demanding restitution so they're not 'trying to ruin someones life.' Society isn't required to not attach feelings about sexual misconduct to unrelated artistic work. The concealing of the behavior is primary reason it can happen, so the necessary thing to stop the behavior is to make it public.

My grandma is dead pal! Thanks a lot you jerk.

You litterally said women are marginalized by extension when you said there complaints of sexual harrasments are marginalized.

You're mistaken if you think there is no gain in having #metoo in your tweets. You honestly don't believe there are cultist aspects to showbiz? Some of these claims are simply "this guy came onto me" or "he made comments and I told him to stop so he did".

Yes I know what happened in the past. It's not happening now. That's the whole point. Why are you having to reach back to the depression generation to prove your point today. We live in age where women can regret consensual sex and call it rape. They make a claim and people believe it. Not all consequences are legal you realize. Louis Ck has had his netflix specials pulled because people make claims. Title IX has brought how many lawsuit and derailed how many lives? All this horeshit is not helping the real rape victims coming foward either. It's also tragic to those that are accused by innocent.

"These women are are providing evidence dates times and corroborating witnesses" Sure. From twenty years ago. But it's good you admit Bill Clinton is a rapist.

Using one of your standards men have had it worse. My grandmother never complained about working conditions. That generation didn't complain. A safe space to them was a God damn bunker. One thing she did say was she was she was glad when they dropped the A bomb because she was going to see her big brother again and so the rest of the men from the town could back from the fucking war.

Well, women are a marginalized group but I literally only said that complaints or sexual misconduct are marginalized.

Bill Clinton is absolutely a problem- I dont know why you think thats a gotcha here.

Louis admitted to jerking off in front of women and that those women would have felt pressure to go along with it.

If men have a complaint men should make it. There are certainly men involved in these recent spate of allegations.

So the point you were making was the complaints were marginalized? As in the actual words?? Like verbage is marginalized and needs support? Words have feelings too I guess.

You're right, you win. Women have no power. They can make eronious claims that ruin people and even after it comes to light it was all bullshit (mattress girl) not only are they not held legally accountable, they are given work for shitty art. How oppressed. What a hero they must be to actual rape victims.

No my point was women, through various machinations, have felt it is pointless or even damaging to make complaints about sexual misconduct for all of history including now. Dont be so literal.

I never said all women should be believed out of hand and that its wrong to defend yourself if accused or seek recompense as allowed by the law. We're currently talking about both true and likely events with CK, Spacey, Weinstein etc. Women who make false accusations are part of the problem that feeds the marginalization of actual victims.

He himself has said that his position created an enviroment of pressure. If you're one of the most powerful men in an industry (weinstein) youre in a position to apply lots of pressure. Making bullshit claims isnt popular, you have no way to justify that bullshit statement. And if we did apply your standard barely any legitimate cases of assault or harassment could even be brought to trial. If a perpetrator puts a gun to a woman and demands sexual favors thats rape- but you only have two witnesses so according to your standard the guy goes free.

You don't get humor do you?

Huh?

I think we're all acting like he's a sexual predator because of the act itself. He likes to masturbate in front of people and we find that creepy and pathetic. If he awkwardly asked these women to have sex with him and they agreed, would we now be calling him a rapist?

Also, all the on-the-record allegations seem to have occurred when he was married, unhappy, and eventually a shitty divorce. It literally made his career. Who is the victim in consented self-touching in front of a clothed woman? It's dirty but not technically cheating on his wife. As far as we know, he wasn't getting rub and tugs, but wouldn't those actually be more coercive sexual acts since it's "expected" at "those" places?

There isn’t an allegation after 2005. “lucky Louie” started in 2006. So, even the “man in power” excuse is kinda bullshit. He was pretty much a comedy writer who also did stand up. He did do a “young comedians special” but you’d have to be really into comedy to know who Louis was in 2005.

He was offered the head writer position on Conan years beforehand.

He worked on Poitier Tang and the head of the studio yelled at him for making a crap movie.

Just because CuCK wasn't famous doesn't mean he had no pull.

He was “offered”? Using a job he didn’t take as your defense is a terrible tactic. And directing one of the biggest failures.

But the point is this. The articles are treating Louis like he was 2015 Louis in 2005. That’s bullshit. He was a guy making his living in comedy doing writing gigs & standup. That’s more successful than most comics make it. But he was a nobody. Who is the head writer of Late Night now? I can’t even find out through google. Louis had less clout than that

He'd been in the business for over a decade before that. Just because someone isn't heard of does't mean they don't have any power.

He wasn't just randomly offered the gig. Someone knew him well enough to make that offer. He regularly went on Conan. He was friends with people, and if you're an unknown comic and you go on Conan, that credit is valuable.

So why the fuck is it a bad thing even if he was successful? Are successful men not allowed to proposition women for sex at any point in their lives? Do they have to just sit back and wait for women to ask them?

I know it doesn't sound it but I don't think Louis is in the wrong criminally (unless he blocked the door) for the hotel stuff.

He masturbated over the phone during a business call--so yes, that one is really not defensible from a professional standpoint.

However, the hotel stuff, again, if you're the woman, you may just not know how to get out of there without pissing off a guy who could hurt your career.

We know from DeRosa that comics really care about their livelihoods. It's that portion of this that I do think these women have a point in, had they come out publicly years ago.

Ahh yes, Poitier Tang, the classic biopic of groundbreaking African-American actor Sydney Poitier.

Damn auto-correct, but shit if I wouldn't see that film.

Wapatah to the bammies on the Pannie Stai!

Apparently he had pull, and he'd show you for free. What a guy.

The first thing I noticed when reading the nytimes article is that they couldn't dig up a single incident that didn't happen before he had a single point of hollywood Q-rating, lol

https://youtu.be/gczkM8cL2hs?t=53s

just something all this reminds me of.

the last, maybe 7 years, of desperate barrel scraping internal culture wars in the US really do look strange to us eurofags.

Also, all the on-the-record allegations seem to have occurred when he was married, unhappy, and eventually a shitty divorce.

You know that would be a great way to spin this, he only asked to jerk off in front of them cause he was married and didn't want to cheat on his wife. Plus they all agree, and also none of them were his employees. He had no fucking "power" over them.

Louie has been handling this terribly since the rumors first started with Gawker

What else could he do? He didn't physically harm the women. They thought he was joking and were playing along, when he was being serious. There's a massive double-standard here

Any idiot could've seen this coming a mile away. We were literally counting it down here and we're all drug addicts

Even if he didn't do anything, he's in an image business. Tig Notoro was adding fuel to the fire like 2 months ago calling out Louie and he still didn't squash the story. Either he's retarded or his publicist is the worst in history

Why do you assume he could squash it at all? This a completely new playing field for these people. The usual tactics don't work. This is Salem witch trial hysteria. I think he knew either the story dies or he is fucked. It's like the scene out of Full Metal Jacket when the Joker is threatened by the Drill Sergeant for not saying he believed in the Virgin Mary. "Sir, the private believes any answer he gives will be the wrong one. If the private reverses himself the drill instructor will only beat him harder"

Yes, I think if he turned the tables at them and was more aggressive, this would be less of a damning story.

Right now people are accusing him of jerking off in front of female employees without their consent. Not the context it was late at night, in his hotel room, and the women never said "no".

It's the timing. Remember this started in 2012. He could have squashed it then. "Hey, I got drunk and did something that made women very uncomfortable and I apologize." In 2012 that would be enough. He could even joke about it on his next special. Now there's no turning the tables available.

I honestly think Louis Ck will be all right. He didn't rape or touch or abuse these women. He talks about masturbating all the time in his comedy and so it's hard to see how these "accusers" have anything of substance on him. They went to his hotel room willingly and they never said he forced them to watch.

If a guy who talks about masturbating all the time, like how he jerked off on 9/11 in between the two towers falling in his set, and pulls out his dick in his own hotel room, don't act surprised and just leave the fucking room.

Anyone honest will realize that Louis CK (a) has some serious sexual issues a la Jim Norton and (b) is not a predator. This is nothing like Harvey Weinstein.

Apologize, go into therapy.. anything to show he acknowledges a problem and is working on it

buncha fuckin PHONIES in hollywood if ya ask me

Then he should have gotten out in front of the story 2 years ago and said "I have a fetish of masturbating in front of women and I thought they were cool with it." 2 years ago this would have been a minor story. In 2017 it's front page news.

muh power discrepancy

Don't ever say "muh" ever under any circumstance

open your asshole so I can spit in it

A handjob will be fine

pm me

Why FatMosque? interesting choice OP

Anyone else ever get the feeling humanity is devolving? Not because of Louie, just a general downward trajectory of the whole human species. Just spitballing here folks.

No and yes.

Civilizations come and go. Thousands have and perhaps millions will. So no not the human race.

What we are witnessing is the death of western civilization. Rome is falling so strap in.

Good news is its a natural progression that has happened many times before and it will happens over generations. The bad news is we are all still pathetic.

maaaan

I absolutely believe this. When people's good intentions/knee jerk reactions belie basic survival instincts and common sense, we're fucked. The majority of people in this country who think they're being "the good guys", if it were up to them, would literally open our borders to everyone on the planet. Because they think they're being nice, and have this idealistic approximation of everyone out there. Problem is that isn't reality, and they can't even be bothered to look at concrete evidence like what's happening with Europe and the immigration there.

Not to mention the fact Islamic extremists want to kill us, but these people want to let them all in because they're afraid of offending anyone, and/or they simply refuse to believe it. Ive never seen anything like it, and Ive been breathing since the 70s.

Thousands have and perhaps millions will

Thousands of civilizations have come and gone?

You can thank social media for giving everyone a voice. I don't care what everyone has to say. Including my stupid reply. Fuck me.

Fuck you very much.

It he did start beating off without asking, that's one thing. But It is pretty fucked that in a lot of these cases, it was one adult who asked another adult for sexual favors, got turned down, resulting in nothing happening, and yet they have to make it a public matter, and call it sexual assault. He asked, you said no and he did nothing. Be an adult and move on, instead playing a victim in the spotlight.

Propositioning for sex it's a sex crime now? Bet if Channing Tatum had asked these women to watch him jerk off, no one would even be hearing this story.

They'd all be pregnant and demanding child support.

Honestly watching his entire life fall apart is pissing me off. I understand cancelling a premiere, but everyone in the movie is turning on him, HBO is throwing all his specials and shows in the trash, and he just lost his distributor for the movie. This is just enraging now.

Yeah I want to watch Ck be miserable person but not like this

Is it just me or does Louis CK deleting his twitter years ago make more sense now?

I'm pretty sure he got in Dutch for tweeting something like "fuck those isis cunts and their mothers too" haha.

I believe he said Sarah Palin had a "retard making cunt" and caught a lot of shit for it. My favourite part, though, was when he went on O&A and defended what he said because "technically, it is correct".

Friend I believe you have a rosey view of the reality of the situation with SJW outrage culture. He has been accused. That equals guilt. Louie is cooked. Now join the hive or you're next.

Mark my words, this is going to "trickle down" into society in general.

For instance, there are a lot of cases where men have been expelled from college based on rape accusations. Up until yesterday, it seemed clear that men didn't have to worry about that type of nonsense if they weren't in college.

In other words, if you're 35 and some girl contacted your boss and said you made her feel uncomfortable in 2002, you're boss would likely ignore it.

But the Louie thing sets a new precedent, where people are losing their jobs over consensual sexual encounters that happened over a decade ago.

I'm shocked that more guys aren't acknowledging how dangerous this precedent is. This was a consensual sexual encounters between two adults. We're at a point where our careers depend on never offending any woman, EVER.

This will happen as long as men allow it. As long as men are there to allow this to happen to other men it will keep going. All these men want to weigh in and change everything and "be part of the solution..." guess what faggots the "solution" is going to be every accusation comes with a fine or imprisonment. The more they cheerlead this shit the worse it gets.

This country is so locked down around sexuality that if news comes out about you liking anything other than missionary, you're gross.

He was already gross!

Why wouldn't he just own this and move on?! Everybody likes different shit sexually. He didn't rape anyone, the most he did was have a few really bad dates.

But the kids nowadays are eating ass like its nobodies business.

Shuuuuuure

he's a pathetic shit.

He didn't get consent in each case. And these are only the ones we've heard of. He's a fat, disgusting (((perv))) like Weinstein who idolizes Woody Allen; I wouldn't be surprised if he actually raped someone, or at least attempted to like his autobiographical character in "Louie" did.

He's a fag who makes copycat pretentious arthouse films in black-and-white, who shilled for Hillary, and who does the whole "I'm a (((white))) male and we suck" psy-op in television interviews. At least his victims so far all appear to be fellow (((entertainers))).

Fuck him.

He didn't get consent in each case.

He literally did. One women said yes, but later said she questioned herself as to why she said yes mentioning something about the 'culture' she was in. Two said "Sure, go for it" and laughed/enjoyed the whole show whilst he spanked it. One said no and he respected her decision. One said she heard him jerking it whilst on the phone with her, but for some reason she decided to stay on the phone with him for the entire duration never once hanging up.

Both you and Louis are faggots

no it sounds like he didn't for at least the one where he was on the phone

When the 100% surefire defense is hitting a button, I'm pretty sure it's not illegal.

Why the f*** is this sub turning into mens rights lite white knighting Louie? We've been rooting for this for years. I'm f***** ecstatic. I have two pinatas (burros) I've been saving for this occasion. I'm hanging them up in my living room tonight. I can't tell anyone what they're for but I will have a ton of fun imagining they are louies little bald head.

F*** off Jim and sam show c*s who want to say these ladies said yes, that's irrelevant. It'w louies destruction that's important. If you call yourself an o&a fan and aren't overjoyed right now,f off back to incels. You don't get to flip flop on us now that louie is finally done. I"ve never hetaedsomeone some much in my lif

Thank you for keeping it G-rated. I don't go to this sub for naught language.

Language!

why do you censor fuck?

Actually, after thinking about it a bit, they only released part of the story we heard so far.

If he came out and denied doing anything illegal, they might have evidence that he kept "female comics" from leaving and thus, rape and kidnapping.

By keeping half the story hidden, someone could be blackmailing him as well as destroying his name.

Quanspiracy

The people making the more extreme arguments against him are prudes and refuse to take context into account. That being said though, defending himself given the current media environment would be too risky. As we can see people take things out of context, pick and choose what they want to believe, etc. Louis CK could do it if everybody wasn't hunting for reasons to hate Louis, his act, or the type of comedy he represents. You even have people repping the "alt-right" who are hating on him just because its "Taking down the liberal elite" or whatever. The whole thing is just hazardous. I think he just make fun of Spacey by going "I, too, am gay."

It doesn’t matter if he asked. The girls were clearly repulsed.

He won’t face criminal charges because the girls clearly could have left. He didn’t threaten them.

But he comes off as a complete slime ball. The girls didn’t like it and didn’t want it.

i'm afraid he can't be uncucked. he's too much of a narcissist.

I am very much enjoying the CK reddit meltdown.

My brother went on reddit yesterday and after looking for a second asked me if louis had died

From the Louis CK wikipedia page:

"He has been quoted as describing his approach to writing as a "deconstruction" that is both painful and frightening"

He was jerking himself off in public the whole time so this should surprise no one

Wait just a second, you're saying another member of the (((American media class))) was actually a depraved pervert this whole time? What are the odds?

Ben Wa balls, rabbit dilds, plugs etc. chicks are flickn it just the same as guys.

todays women are children. previous generations of women would have just kicked a perv in the balls-or say,I don't know,hang up the phone on some creep wanking. If woman want to bitch and moan about this stuff,and destroy lives/ careers,we should let the. But then we take away their right to vote because children can't vote....

There's an outside shot as he loses more and more of his hard-fought wealth and fame that he reemerges with an incendiary standup special playing to his original base, noting what a pandering faggot he became at the expense at the ferocity and genius of his original comedic drive.

This whole thing smells like a ruse. He's already issued his "apology", now he's going to "disappear" for a while only to return "wiser" and with a "better understanding" of what "women go through". He will become a "hero" who "reformed" his "perverted male ways" and his stupid movie will be released after all and seen in a "whole new light". It's a career move, he will reinvent himself as a social justice warrior, wait and see.

should have blamed it on an addiction to "dangerous prescription opioid pills"

*dumb dumb Wow. What a well thought out response. To venture upon insult is to admit defeat.

Also, all the on-the-record allegations seem to have occurred when he was married, unhappy, and eventually a shitty divorce. It literally made his career. Who is the victim in consented self-touching in front of a clothed woman? It's dirty but not technically cheating on his wife. As far as we know, he wasn't getting rub and tugs, but wouldn't those actually be more coercive sexual acts since it's "expected" at "those" places?

You just described why it could work. The extreme left keeps pushing the envelope on insane shit like this further and further, it's only a matter of time before something breaks and people push back.

It might be too early for Louis to attempt something like this but you never know.

Thankyou.

Mark my words, this is going to "trickle down" into society in general.

For instance, there are a lot of cases where men have been expelled from college based on rape accusations. Up until yesterday, it seemed clear that men didn't have to worry about that type of nonsense if they weren't in college.

In other words, if you're 35 and some girl contacted your boss and said you made her feel uncomfortable in 2002, you're boss would likely ignore it.

But the Louie thing sets a new precedent, where people are losing their jobs over consensual sexual encounters that happened over a decade ago.

I'm shocked that more guys aren't acknowledging how dangerous this precedent is. This was a consensual sexual encounters between two adults. We're at a point where our careers depend on never offending any woman, EVER.