I remember the first time I listened to Patrice dissect Fight Club... I'm getting that same embarrassment feeling right about now because he couldn't be more spot on.
A little non-sequitur but in the 80's what is considered gay now was masculine. Mustaches, short gym shorts, names like Bruce, etc, etc. Top Gun is similar in that way. Masculine action movie in the 80's, but by the 90's it was a gay brotherly romance.
Not so sure you can call that an alpha male culture when widely known stereotypes include absentee fathers, playing the victim card at every turn/not accepting responsibility, and a propensity to spend money on a new pair of kicks before rent
That's a good point. Being a strong male goes beyond being tough, it means taking responsibility. But regardless a lot of that has to do with the drug 'war' being their primary industry.
include absentee fathers,
The US has the highest incarceration rate. I've also read statistics show that black fathers are just as involved as white fathers when you account for incarceration.
a propensity to spend money on a new pair of kicks before rent
Money that comes quick goes quick. There's no banking or investments with drug money... but agreed.
playing the victim card
They are largely exploiting white guilt but yes this has a big disadvantage because every bump in the road to them is 'structural racism', and they aren't motivated to overcome adversity. Or easily self-justify being a unemployed bum.
Their culture has plenty of irresponsibility. Such as that study that showed black kids living in wealthy neighbourhoods still did bad in school because being good in school is 'acting white'.
I'm not saying emulate black culture, I'm saying they have some useful points about being an alpha male.
I definitely wouldn't call it an "alpha male culture." I think it's more of an unbelievable sense of disillusionment in the black community. I play pickup basketball with a lot of black guys, and no matter how bad most of them are (and at least 90% of them are terrible), they all think they're the shit. Just like how they all think they're good looking, charismatic, amazing fucks, etc. I don't know where it stems from, but there's zero humbleness and no sense of realism in that culture.
The drug industry and prison culture has breeds alpha male culture within the black community, there's no question. Whether or not some kids are deluded into thinking they are better than they are just shows they are immature or dumb, I was like that when I was 19.
That doesn't mean you can't get some good advice from some smart people who grew up in that culture like Patrice...
Fucking redpill incels and "alpha" bullshit. You know who is "alpha"? That fucking nerd Bill Gates. I'm sure Warren Buffet throws hands if he gets disrespcted at the Waffle House. It's survival of the fittest, not the stronget, dummy.
It's survival of the fittest, not the stronget, dummy.
Obviously, you're taking what I said way too far. There are plenty of white males who are beta "cucks" it would do them good to grow some balls, that's as far as I'm taking it.
And like I said, when it comes to being successful with work our culture is doing just fine. And as Harvey shows with women, being wealthy and powerful doesn't entirely compensate.
"Alpha male?" You mean criminal culture? Where you try to rob, rape, or assault everyone you can?
Anyone who's served in the military in a Combat Arms MOS knows which culture is "alpha" - 70% of the infantry is white, while 90% of fobits and squids are black.
Yes, you have to be an alpha male to succeed in criminal culture. Just like the mafia or Russian/Irish gangs, it's not exclusive to black gangsters.
And sure there are plenty of alpha male shit in the military, mostly in the special forces parts, but I know plenty of regular soldiers (via my brother in the military) who are far from being alpha males. They break you down in basic training and make you subservient. It's a sausage fest too.
I'm not sure what your point is here but a lot of mainstream American black culture is about intimidation and toughness.
You're conflating "alpha" and "sociopath." There's nothing "alpha" about a culture predicated on intimidation of the weakest, which is how black culture is ordered. It's why they won't engage one-on-one, and rove in packs.
A little non-sequitur but in the 80's what is considered gay now was masculine. Mustaches, short gym shorts, names like Bruce, etc, etc. Top Gun is similar in that way. Masculine action movie in the 80's, but by the 90's it was a gay brotherly romance.
The drug industry and prison culture has breeds alpha male culture within the black community, there's no question. Whether or not some kids are deluded into thinking they are better than they are just shows they are immature or dumb, I was like that when I was 19.
That doesn't mean you can't get some good advice from some smart people who grew up in that culture like Patrice...
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1 expedition11g 2017-10-11
I remember the first time I listened to Patrice dissect Fight Club... I'm getting that same embarrassment feeling right about now because he couldn't be more spot on.
1 piggyboi 2017-10-11
Meh - Patrice was at his worst when he was doing his, "Black people be like, but white people be like" schtick.
1 ManiacalChrisBenoit 2017-10-11
They play that shit all the time though. Saw them play it at Coachella last year.
1 ScorzeMan 2017-10-11
Shit "Creep" is the only song I know by Radio Head and way better than TLC's song by the same name.
1 dmix 2017-10-11
IMA CREEEEP
Patrice's white people love Fight Club because it's about an insecure male wanting to be something better made me rethink my life.
Black people grow up with alpha culture, white guys learn that shit later in life, so sometimes it's good to hear that shit from other cultures.
Just like how they should listen to us when it's time to get a job.
1 Ifuckmymomanddad 2017-10-11
Here's other fun info that might help you reacess that movie. The director is gay. Watch it again and tell me it's not a gay love story.
1 NetherMoore 2017-10-11
I’ve never seen Top Gun, Tarantino makes it sound like the gayest film ever made
1 Psych555 2017-10-11
A little non-sequitur but in the 80's what is considered gay now was masculine. Mustaches, short gym shorts, names like Bruce, etc, etc. Top Gun is similar in that way. Masculine action movie in the 80's, but by the 90's it was a gay brotherly romance.
1 NetherMoore 2017-10-11
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gSV35A1cQDM
1 _youtubot_ 2017-10-11
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1 Psych555 2017-10-11
Makes sense. That movie came out mid nineties.
1 CoolerKing37 2017-10-11
David Fincher's not gay, but Chuck Palahniuk is.
1 Ifuckmymomanddad 2017-10-11
Oh fuck yeah you're right that's what I meant.
1 ChurchOfBaldOpie 2017-10-11
Not so sure you can call that an alpha male culture when widely known stereotypes include absentee fathers, playing the victim card at every turn/not accepting responsibility, and a propensity to spend money on a new pair of kicks before rent
1 dmix 2017-10-11
That's a good point. Being a strong male goes beyond being tough, it means taking responsibility. But regardless a lot of that has to do with the drug 'war' being their primary industry.
The US has the highest incarceration rate. I've also read statistics show that black fathers are just as involved as white fathers when you account for incarceration.
Money that comes quick goes quick. There's no banking or investments with drug money... but agreed.
They are largely exploiting white guilt but yes this has a big disadvantage because every bump in the road to them is 'structural racism', and they aren't motivated to overcome adversity. Or easily self-justify being a unemployed bum.
Their culture has plenty of irresponsibility. Such as that study that showed black kids living in wealthy neighbourhoods still did bad in school because being good in school is 'acting white'.
I'm not saying emulate black culture, I'm saying they have some useful points about being an alpha male.
1 theharddriveofhits 2017-10-11
I definitely wouldn't call it an "alpha male culture." I think it's more of an unbelievable sense of disillusionment in the black community. I play pickup basketball with a lot of black guys, and no matter how bad most of them are (and at least 90% of them are terrible), they all think they're the shit. Just like how they all think they're good looking, charismatic, amazing fucks, etc. I don't know where it stems from, but there's zero humbleness and no sense of realism in that culture.
Just my $.02
1 dmix 2017-10-11
The drug industry and prison culture has breeds alpha male culture within the black community, there's no question. Whether or not some kids are deluded into thinking they are better than they are just shows they are immature or dumb, I was like that when I was 19.
That doesn't mean you can't get some good advice from some smart people who grew up in that culture like Patrice...
1 Meganschuster 2017-10-11
Fucking redpill incels and "alpha" bullshit. You know who is "alpha"? That fucking nerd Bill Gates. I'm sure Warren Buffet throws hands if he gets disrespcted at the Waffle House. It's survival of the fittest, not the stronget, dummy.
1 dmix 2017-10-11
Obviously, you're taking what I said way too far. There are plenty of white males who are beta "cucks" it would do them good to grow some balls, that's as far as I'm taking it.
And like I said, when it comes to being successful with work our culture is doing just fine. And as Harvey shows with women, being wealthy and powerful doesn't entirely compensate.
1 breadmoccasin 2017-10-11
I agree 100%. The Fight Club movie was terrible but the book was a great read when I was 15.
Also, white culture is allowed and even encouraged to be criticized. Black culture? Well...
1 piggyboi 2017-10-11
"Alpha male?" You mean criminal culture? Where you try to rob, rape, or assault everyone you can?
Anyone who's served in the military in a Combat Arms MOS knows which culture is "alpha" - 70% of the infantry is white, while 90% of fobits and squids are black.
1 dmix 2017-10-11
Yes, you have to be an alpha male to succeed in criminal culture. Just like the mafia or Russian/Irish gangs, it's not exclusive to black gangsters.
And sure there are plenty of alpha male shit in the military, mostly in the special forces parts, but I know plenty of regular soldiers (via my brother in the military) who are far from being alpha males. They break you down in basic training and make you subservient. It's a sausage fest too.
I'm not sure what your point is here but a lot of mainstream American black culture is about intimidation and toughness.
It's a cultural thing not race.
1 piggyboi 2017-10-11
You're conflating "alpha" and "sociopath." There's nothing "alpha" about a culture predicated on intimidation of the weakest, which is how black culture is ordered. It's why they won't engage one-on-one, and rove in packs.
1 dmix 2017-10-11
this sounds like a racial thing to you, boring
1 piggyboi 2017-10-11
Whatever you say, cuck.
1 hSUitMSi 2017-10-11
Radio Head
1 SteakSauce66 2017-10-11
That TLC song is a classic. Radiohead is horseshit.
1 RedditIsDumb4You 2017-10-11
So is white people talking about being depressed. And yet every Fucking white guy has to do that bit.
1 piggyboi 2017-10-11
No, every kike talks about it. Kikes aren't white.
1 i_dont_give_a_care 2017-10-11
Every other song by them sucks
1 Lasagna_Hat 2017-10-11
Any Patrice knocks will be downvoted.
People want to pretend he is entirely infallible. They thought Opie was "good at radio" too
1 piggyboi 2017-10-11
Yeah, probably Wackbag refugees.
1 WizardEric 2017-10-11
I miss that fat spook.
1 Peckas1 2017-10-11
I miss his aquarium gook.
1 Psych555 2017-10-11
A little non-sequitur but in the 80's what is considered gay now was masculine. Mustaches, short gym shorts, names like Bruce, etc, etc. Top Gun is similar in that way. Masculine action movie in the 80's, but by the 90's it was a gay brotherly romance.
1 dmix 2017-10-11
this sounds like a racial thing to you, boring
1 dmix 2017-10-11
The drug industry and prison culture has breeds alpha male culture within the black community, there's no question. Whether or not some kids are deluded into thinking they are better than they are just shows they are immature or dumb, I was like that when I was 19.
That doesn't mean you can't get some good advice from some smart people who grew up in that culture like Patrice...