Opie and Anthony Hindsight Report: August 2002 and Aftermath

76  2017-03-21 by im_not

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  • After a two-week vacation, O&A start back up live on August 8. They open up the show by commenting on how the listeners are upset that O&A never announce their vacations. Opie says he likes not telling the audience so that they tune in anyway.

  • Ant went to Miami and said he hated being the only white guy among a bunch of hispanics. Opie took a trip to Thousand Islands and hung out on Brother Wease's boat.

  • They have an extended discussion on Signs, with Anthony saying how much he enjoyed it.

  • Jim makes fun of Opie for saying "anti-climatic" and Opie gets some moderate-to-severe Greggshells over it. He says that he may not get Jim back today or tomorrow or two weeks, but he always gets him! Opie often seems very confident in his ability to knock Jim down a peg. Later during the show Opie starts keeping a tally of times Jim flubs as a way to get back at him, but for some reason he starts the tally at 5. Opie also flubs when mentioning the movie A River Run Throughs It

  • Opie calls Steve Carlesi "Martini Steve" after asking if the olive from a martini is enough to get him drunk with his tiny walnut stomach.

  • Steve C proclaims that he hates everybody, including himself

  • Somebody hacked the Wow Contest voting system and is trying to rig it so that this already dull radio contest can somehow be manipulated.

  • Master of Disguise, the new Dana Carvey movie, gets terrible reviews and Jimmy loves the fact that one reviewer referred to it as “soupy dreck.” Opie says he’s never heard the word "dreck" before but wants to start using it.

  • They read a story about a woman who brought bottled breast milk for her baby to the airport and the security agent made her drink it to prove it wasn’t some sort of homemade explosive. All of them argue that she’s wrong for suing, it’s her own fault, and people gotta be smarter post-9/11.

  • Jimmy is moving into a new apartment. He says it's the same apartment that Bob Kelly lives in. While Bob Kelly is mentioned occasionally, he hasn’t appeared in studio yet (I don’t think).

  • Charlton Heston has alzheimers

  • The name of Howard K Stern, Anna Nicole Smith's attorney, gets dumped out of. Anthony and Opie lose their shit.

  • Joe Cumia is in studio playing songs from his U2 cover band. Everybody says how great it sounds.

  • There was a time when Barry Williams could hang in studio. He bright booze in, he drinks a ton, he loves the edgy bits, and he loves watching women do sexual shit in studio.

  • Ex-WBCN jock Mark Perrentau is in the news after allegedly being involved with a 14 year old boy. Nobody is surprised to hear this, and one caller several weeks later even plays a tape of Anthony making fun of the "Real Admiral" for being a not-so-closeted pedo.

Sex for Sam 3

  • The timing of Sex for Sam 3 and their firing was pretty apropos. O&A were doing well in the ratings, although political news had eroded the listener base of most hot talk shows. O&A still had a controversial event here, a great show there, an FCC fine here, a radio war there, and Sex for Sam 3 should've been more of the same. Much like the "Mayor is Dead" show, this firing seemed to thrust O&A into a new version of their show just as things had become stale for them.

  • It's worth listening to the whole Sex for Sam 3 show, but to summarize: Paul Mecurio is in Saint Patrick's with his couple. He gets spotted by a nearby security guard and immediately Paul antagonizes the guard. Either this was a stall tactic on Paul's behalf, or he was trying to get O&A to think he just had balls. He yells "it was the balloon knot!" and "where's your god now?" Opie and Ant both think it's hilarious. Paul calls a minute later and says the cops were called. Opie wonders if he and the guys should notify the other teams to be careful, but they laugh it off and say nahhh and go to break.

  • They come back from commercial playing "Bad Boys," clearly not sensing the severity of the situation. Paul puts himself on speaker as he argues loudly with police. The other teams keep participating and the show treats it almost as a joke. Ant says it could be the last sex for Sam they do, and it makes the studio uncomfortable, but the severity of the situation is not fully realized.

  • The next day, the boys talk entirely in code after they've made the national news. They all try to recount what happened, who is to blame, and what might happen next. The show after the Sex for Sam 3 show is actually almost as great to hear as the day before. The staff are keeping quiet for the lawyers to hopefully salvage things and get just a simple suspension or fine, but hanging in the air is the increasing likelihood that they will be fired.

  • O&A try to talk about Billy Staples bombing the night before and the potential MLB strike that’s looming, but hanging in the air is the tension from the day before. Jim does mention that he hates Curt Schilling and he even wishes cancer on him.

  • WNEW plays "Worst Of" for the next week and on August 22 the show is suspended indefinitely. Although technically O&A never fired, O&A are nevertheless suspended from the air by their employer with pay until the end of their contract.

Aftermath

  • A hilarious Fox News segment with the Greaseman the day of the firing

  • O&A we're making ~$30 million over three years ($5m a year each) after they signed their 2001 contract at WNEW. Once their contract expired in August 2004 they immediately announced that they would be moving to XM.

  • While they were gone Buddy Ebsen died, Ronald Reagan died, Jonathan Harris died, Rodney Dangerfield died, Dr. Filatof of Diamond Vision died, Opie's Dad died.

  • The FCC completely restructured the way in which they levied fines for material deemed obscene. Fines would now be financially crippling to offending broadcasters, rather than just mere costs of doing business.

  • For WNEW, this Wikipedia article summarizes well: The legendary home "where rock lives" flipped to hot talk when O&A joined. But ratings were abysmal apart from Opie and Anthony. The beginning of the end for the "hot talk" format came in August 2002, when Opie and Anthony were fired for encouraging a stunt invsolving two people allegedly engaging in sexual intercourse in a vestibule within St. Patrick's Cathedral. The FCC eventually fined Infinity $357,000—the maximum fine allowed by law, and the third largest indecency fine in American radio history at the time. FCC Commissioner Michael Copps dissented, claiming the FCC should have taken steps to revoke WNEW's license. A few months earlier, the FCC had fined Infinity $21,000 for three "patently offensive" Opie and Anthony broadcasts, including one referring to incest. The station's ratings plummeted even further—at one point, it only netted a 0.7 rating, an unprecedented level for a major-market FM station, and lower than ratings for noncommercial stations. With the cancellation of the only show that generated any ratings for the station, management decided that the station needed to take a new direction. It changed to "Blink" and then flipped formats a dozen or so times in the 15 years since, as the terrestrial radio format in general continues its slow, painful death.

  • Also from Wikipedia: Following their firing, Infinity competitor Clear Channel Communications wished to hire Hughes and Cumia to host mornings on one of their stations. However, rather than release the pair from their contract, Infinity continued to pay them until their deals expired to prevent them broadcasting on another network. Despite their efforts to get out of their contracts, Hughes and Cumia remained off the air for two years. Both found the hiatus frustrating as they wished to broadcast and comment on the news and current events but had no outlet or an audience. Six months after their firing, WNEW's ratings fell which led to its format switch from talk to music in January 2003. Hughes later claimed the WNEW years as the show's "golden age".

  • On August 5, 2004, Hughes and Cumia announced the signing of their contracts to broadcast on XM Satellite Radio, a subscription-based satellite radio service exempt from the broadcasting regulations imposed by the FCC, starting October 4 from 6:00 a.m. on weekdays. The pair had wished to host morning radio at WNEW, but were declined from doing so as management did not wish to have them compete with Stern. They later claimed XM CEO Hugh Panero had signed them but openly stated in a meeting that he disliked them, but understood they could attract subscribers to the service.

  • Before their start on XM, Hughes, Cumia and Norton completed a media tour, visiting several radio markets to promote the new show. Initially, the show was offered to XM subscribers on High Voltage, a premium channel at an additional $1.99 a month.

  • Several weeks prior to their first XM show, they appear on the one-off XM special "Opie & Anthony Ungagged," their first live show in two years.

  • During ungagged, Opie says quite bluntly that the two don't hang out at all outside of radio, although ant says they've been communicating feverishly via phone whenever news stories hit.

  • Opie spent much of the last two years traveling, while Ant explored new hobbies to keep from being bored. He got into radio helicopters and CGI graphics editing.

  • The new show will be in the morning, which neither of them are thrilled with.

  • Opie perpetuates the "we wanted AAF to fire us" myth

  • Opie says he was so distraught after the WNEW firing that he got up in the middle of the night and went inline skating around Central Park as fast as he could! Then he adds that sometimes he grabs the backs of cars and skitches without pads or helmet!

  • Some other random asides: Ant says he dislikes Bush and the Iraq War. Both of them dislike John Kerry. They briefly touch on a few changes over the past couple of years: the proliferation of reality tv shows, cell phones and fat bitches wearing JUICY branded shorts.

  • After XM's heavily-marketed media tour, the first uncensored XM show is scheduled to air October 4, 2004.

91 comments

um...thank you for your service??

I kinda shed a tear at the conclusion of this. I always looked forward to these.

Opie says he’s never heard the word "dreck"

I'm sure he's been well aware of it since fall 2014.

Will you be doing XM shows?

I'll try! Been listening for a couple of days now and they're amazing.

I'm sick of people here saying the show sucked until 2006. October 2004 was bad, but November was when they figured things out and got good.

Oh my gosh, people can be so audacious sometimes!

And here, of all places, too!

Agreed. But then again I am biased since I started listening to O&A around October 2004. I think the first show I ever listened to was Bob Kelly's first appearance.

I think that was the last one of the month, so they weren't bad by then, it was the first three weeks.

I listened to 2004 and some of 2005 recently and I thought it was almost all unbelievably shitty. Maybe it wasn't at the time.

Good stuff! Always one of my favorite reads as I didn't find the boys until 2005.

I was only vaguely aware of O&A before they arrived at XM. I was already a Ron & Fez listener at that time and was unwilling to spend an extra two bucks a month on an unknown (to me) show.

Interesting note that the OP missed in his otherwise excellent presentation was that shortly after the arrival of O&A as a premium (1.99) channel, XM raised their rates of a standard subscription by the same amount and promoted O&A as a "free" channel.

Yeah, according to what they said later XM kind of wanted to hide them a little while until they felt they could trust them. But of course they had the ordeal with the drunk chicks that almost got them in trouble.

It changed to "Blink" and then flipped formats a dozen or so times in the 15 years since, as the terrestrial radio format in general continues its slow, painful death.

And it was funny when a year later the flagship show of the old WNEW was Jennifer Lopez's sister doing a shitty entertainment news show. They scorch earthed that motherfucker on their way out.

Following their firing, Infinity competitor Clear Channel Communications wished to hire Hughes and Cumia to host mornings on one of their stations.

I still have a hard time believing this claim. Clear Channel Communications was as tame as radio got. They were the network who banned playing "Imagine" after 9/11. I can't imagine what show they'd want them to do.

I think the combination of sex for Sam, the Janet Jackson halftime show, and the morality of the bush administration at the time combined to make it impossible for them to ever do terrestrial again once the FCC cracked down. XM was their only option creatively, they probability just liked to think that terrestrial was still an option. Even in 2006 they still wanted to get back there and reach more people, but by the time they started doing walkover shows it finally dawned on them just how gutted the entire medium had become. If they didn't get fired in 2002 they would've probably ended up in satellite sooner or later

Only if they got something closer to what Howard got than the pay cut they took to be on XM. They were not going to turn down FM money. They sucked it up and had Opie read lists every morning on Free FM because the money was so much better. And they were both pissed off when it ended even though they didn't enjoy it and the real fans despised having to hear watered down bullshit and let them know constantly.

2006-early 2009 is unlistenable for me. The CBS half was watered down shit, but by the time they got to XM they were out of gas. The best shows they ever did were after CBS in my opinion, although there some great shows in 2005 too.

Those shows with a comic are good. But when it was just the three of them it was "Opie stretches out a stupid list for an hour."

but by the time they started doing walkover shows it finally dawned on them just how gutted the entire medium had become.

Not sure it dawned on both of them. I think Ant hated terrestrial, but Opie still wanted to get back there from the moment they got shitcanned in 2009 till the end of the O&A show.

Terrestrial was key to Opie's dream of proving to the world he's better than Howard Stern.

And at their best with all the hype they got going to Free FM they still couldn't get half of Howard's ratings, so the bluster in the lead up turned into "well, we're doing way better than Roth!"

Anthony loved the money. He was pissed at Opie for not going with him to try to save the Philadelphia syndication like their agent wanted.

What happened with Philly? When was this?

It's discussed in the O&A Grape Fight. Something like when their ratings were shit their agent wanted them to go to the Philly station and kiss ass, but Opie wouldn't do it and Anthony brought it up when Opie complained he was checked out on some shows.

I saw what you did there.

Great writeup, as always. $5 million per year. They really were huge. Or was this a radio "bubble" of sorts? I remember Mancow in his heyday had a huge apartment in downtown Chicago. And Leykis had a house in Hollywood Hills. It seems like these guys made huge money for a while doing shit content.

Radio was so much bigger in the 90s through Stern quitting. The ratings differences from 1997 to 2007 are insane. It died off more than even the music industry.

Leykis, Carolla, and O&A were all making roughly the same amount of money. Carolla was probably making a little less than O&A but he was still pulling in a few mil a year at least. It is weird. Not sure what happened around that time, but I don't think it will ever be replicated

Not sure what happened around that time,

Broadband internet and mobile data happened. iTunes, youtube, pandora, and streaming killed Radio.

Here's how this works:

1) A company borrows billions of dollars to purchase another company that is functional

2) The company then 'hollows out' what they purchased. Basically they take everything that isn't bolted down and they sell it.

3) Once the company has been bled dry, they bankrupt it, and all the creditors get screwed

It's basically the corporate equivalent of those furniture stores that change names every couple years, the ones that open up shop, sell a bunch of merchandise, then go bankrupt when the bills come due.

This merry-go-round of shit will continue as long as banks are willing to loan the money. And since the bankers aren't liable for the loans, the bondholders are, the shit show continues.

Such an enormous amount of money. Any sane, reasonable person would easily have been set for several lifetimes

Mancow said he made 3 million dollars a year. He was huge in Chicago.

I don't know if I buy that. Most of his syndication was small market, whereas O&A got DC and Philadelphia. I just don't remember hearing about him until they'd simulcast a few minutes of his show on the Fox News morning show in 2000 or so. But I'm sure he did over a million. He was neighbors with Chris Farley and that wasn't cheap.

His reruns were broadcast in Detroit. There used to be billboards. At the very least, a regional sensation with some smaller markets sprinkled in.

The Tom Leykis show is a lot more enjoyable when you realize what an utter fraud he is:

1) He does a weekly show where he tells men how to get laid. Never mind the fact that Leykis is obviously gay and engaged in a long term relationship with Gary, one of his employees on the show.

2) He does a weekly show on finance, never mind the fact that the only reason he's a millionaire is because he was in the right place at the right time; basically he was working in radio when salaries were going through the roof.

3) He brags non-stop about his Tesla and his million dollar house. Yet here in California, those things are ubiquitous; I literally live on a street lined with million dollar homes and it's all very ordinary. The median cost of a home is $700K, million dollar homes are barely above average.

That show was complete bullshit but seemed very edgy when I was a kid.

Got my first (terrible) blowjob in August of 2002. Thanks for bringing back the memories.

How would you like a second (even worse) one in March 2017, sugar plum?

Do you have huge tits, an annoying obsession with hockey, and/or unmedicated anxiety and depression? Because you need at least the mood disorder to qualify!

Opie gave you a blowjob?

Opie likes hockey?

annoying obsession with hockey

not possible

Okay, story time buddy.

sniff Leave it alone!

Eh, there's no real story. She was my first girlfriend and emotionally unstable. We both went to single-sex Catholic high schools and it was a big fucking deal for me at 14/15 years old that I was able to even make a connection with a girl at all, especially one who already had D cups. We met in the fall of '01 and it took me fucking forever to make something happen because I was so convinced that I needed to be her friend first. She used to fall into deep depressions, her stepfather was a fuckhead, and it tugged at my faggy heartstrings. At least she never threatened suicide.

We didn't even start making out until around the end of the school year and it wasn't until August that she was wiling to toot the flute because leave it to me to find the unstable girl who didn't act out sexually. It was her first ever attempt but not a valiant one; in my darkest moments I can still feel her teeth and her trepidation. It lasted for only a few minutes before I suggested she just jerk me off, which I had to finish by myself. I didn't lose my virginity to her (did start learning how to lick pussy on her, though) but we were together for around six months after before she suddenly ditched me with no explanation, which fucked me up good for a while. My dumb ass probably would've stayed until she was ready to fuck, we got along so well when she wasn't lost in her own shit.

We reconnected briefly during college over Myspace but as far as I can piece together from her social media, she had a crazy breakdown and finally attempted suicide several years ago. She's medicated to hell and married and seems like she finally has some measure of happiness in her life. Now I have to listen to Sex for Sam 3 to relive the era.

Faggy Heartstrings would be a great hardcore punk band name. You were beta back in the day but most guys especially from religious backgrounds. Religion being the opiate of the masses makes a lot more sense when you realize it is a system of control.

Hopefully you've outgrown your faggy upbringing and dodged all the kid fuckers. L'chaim.

Oh Christ no, I was barely religious at all. I was already seeing through the God stuff by seventh/eighth grade. My dad insisted we attend Catholic school all the way because he didn't want us going to the NYC public schools as he was certain "the niggers" would rip us to shreds. There were still a lot of black guys at my school but we all managed to get along.

And thanks for the well wishes. I still have my issues (ha ha) with women but at least I'm somewhat more sexually confident and more forthright about my intentions at the advanced age of 30. Trust me, I wish I'd run afoul of a kid fucker. What an easy excuse to have handy.

well wishes

YUCK!!!

Thanks for the mammaries.

Excuse me, Mr. CockBreath, but I do believe you meant to say "memory lane," the common colloquialism to reference fond recollections. I'm embarrassed to say, but erm, "mammary" refers to the female breasts. Please take care in your future writings!

Opie calls Steve Carlesi "Martini Steve" after asking if the olive from a martini is enough to get him drunk with his tiny walnut stomach.

That's actually quite funny

I thought it was really clever. All these years and I had no idea that he was the one to think of it. +1 for tits I guess

I think he could be funny and he definitely has contributed a lot despite the hatred around here, he became insufferable towards the end though

Thankyou for doing these posts, they're brilliant, a kind of weird time capsule as well

He's always been terrible, one or two lines doesn't excuse that. He could be funny if he had some self-awareness and a sense of humor.

Don't agree at all, he had more than two lines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytlx6PcM93o

^ Take this bit for example, he asks funny questions and he opens up new angles for Anthony and Jimmy to riff on, he stopped doing this and that's why he got flack here.

He had the self awareness to bring Spuds Buckley onto the show, as well as the old tape of him and Ant and how cringy it was. I don't like him now and I find him annoying but c'mon man, he had his funny moments and contributions, not just 'one or two lines'

fuck off Opie

I say one or two lines because over the course of 20 years of radio it doesn't even compare to his co hosts, or even guests. He's had more terrible moments than good. Of course he's had his funny moments and contributions, like he's mentioned on one or two occasions he's been doing radio since he was 18. Anybody could be put into a room with funny people for 4 hours a day for 20 years and have a moment or two, but it's astounding how awful he is considering having such a privilege.

But everyone knows, including himself, that he's simply not as funny off the cuff as Anthony or Jimmy, he's admitted that so it's not really fair or realistic to judge him to that standard.

I don't think it's the case that he's never been funny or contributed anything to the show beyond a few lines here and there, there clearly were times he contributed and brought something funny and had self awareness, it makes him less redeemable now because he could have continued in that vein but chose not to.

His shock jock moments like throwing gifted poker chips or jumping on a cake or smashing Sandy Kane's guitar aren't funny to me, the clip I linked is good at illustrating what he could be when he wasn't insecure or bitter and was helping the funny happen

More than two but less than ten.

Always heard Greaseman was shitty about O&A on that Fox News clip, but he seemed to be reasonably fair about the situation. Goofy as fuck all the way through though.

He's hilarious. Never heard his show but you can see he was good at whatever the fuck it was that he did.

His show is pretty awful, but different times I guess. That said he's fun to try and impersonate.

Yeah, and most of his shtick was created in the 1960s so he's closer to Wolfman Jack than Don Imus, who at least completely reinvented himself in the 70s.

Ant went to Miami and said he hated being the only white guy among a bunch of hispanics

Seriously? Could anybody tell the fucking difference?

Anthony is the quintessential Aryan beauty. Of course he would be disgusted to be seen alongside Hispanics.

I wonder how the Hispanics felt seeing Ant lurking about so soon after 9/11.

Didn't he write some "Drown, Cuban, Drown" song? Typical Ant. Talk shit then get scared when you're around the people you're bashing.

Was that the timely old Billy Joel song parody?

Yes

Speaking of Opie being rad, does anyone remember this game?

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I used to love that game as a little kid.

Opie says he was so distraught after the WNEW firing that he got up in the middle of the night and went inline skating around Central Park as fast as he could! Then he adds that sometimes he grabs the backs of cars and skitches without pads or helmet!

I just curled up giggling in my car

He was in his 40's when he made this claim. Pretty cool dude.

I actually am curious about how Anthony reacted to the Iraq War, would he have just become Jimmy on Tough Crowd and become the most flag waving "invade them all we'll figure it out later" type of guy or would he actually have been more critical of it? I think even by 2003 Anthony was souring on Bush and by 2005 he was literally wishing for the most liberal President in America because Bush was such an utter disaster.

by 2005 he was literally wishing for the most liberal President in America

"It'll be fine. It's not like a black guy will be nominated in 2008."

Are you going to be doing these reports for the early XM shows as well?

I wasn't planning on it since WNEW had become such a chore, but I've really been enjoying these XM shows so i think I'll keep going for a bit

Another great wrap-up. Did the last WNEW show end with them both saying, "Your mom's box?" That's the way I remembered it, but maybe that was at the end of the Sex for Sam 3 day.

That last day was just like you said. My friend and I were listening to every single word, but they were completely avoiding the scandal.

No they didn't end it with a Your Mom's Box. Honestly I think they still felt like a fine and month of suspension was possible.

The first XM show though Ant starts by saying your moms box

Oh, damn. That's what I remembered, but maybe it was at the end of the Sex for Sam 3 day?

I haven't heard the shows since they were live and could've sworn they both took a turn saying it before going to commercials.

I thought they ended the day after's show with Your Mom's Box as well. First Opie said it then Ant said, Oh No and then he said it, then a commercial break.

Found it! It's in the last minute of the last show. Opie says it very quietly, then Anthony says it, too. http://www.opieandanthonylive.com//media/opieandanthony/2002/08/O&A%202002-08-16.mp3

Why was the bit titled Sex for Sam? Surely no reference to Sam Roberts at that time.

I think it is because a show sponsor was Samuel Adams.

Thanks. All these years and I didn't know.

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The Boston Beer Co and Jim Coch had unofficially sponsored the event for three years

That guy was the biggest participant SFS, and he tried so hard to weasel out of things in the aftermath. Denounced O&A and tried to save his job. Meanwhile if I remember right, he was into it more than anyone in studio that day.

Different times. Kinda funny actually how back then you could be the founder of a major company and be involved in the shit that went on during the show without SJWs bringing it to everybody's attention.

lol you're right. I think that show started with breaking into Ken Stevens office and fucking on his nap couch or his desk.

A couple years ago, I listened to a bunch of older shows, and big time hit or miss, but when it hit, the show was as good as the XM years.

Thanks again for the HP's. I read every one of them and each month hunted down the notable stuff you pointed out. Easily my fav threads to see on here.

A historian and a gentleman.

You keep this sub alive. Thank you for your service.

Several weeks prior to their first XM show, they appear on the one-off XM special "Opie & Anthony Ungagged," their first live show in two years.

This isn't true. Their first appearance was Friday, October 1

Ungagged aired in September.

Thanks. All these years and I didn't know.

No they didn't end it with a Your Mom's Box. Honestly I think they still felt like a fine and month of suspension was possible.

The first XM show though Ant starts by saying your moms box

Was that the timely old Billy Joel song parody?

I don't know if I buy that. Most of his syndication was small market, whereas O&A got DC and Philadelphia. I just don't remember hearing about him until they'd simulcast a few minutes of his show on the Fox News morning show in 2000 or so. But I'm sure he did over a million. He was neighbors with Chris Farley and that wasn't cheap.

Different times. Kinda funny actually how back then you could be the founder of a major company and be involved in the shit that went on during the show without SJWs bringing it to everybody's attention.

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