I think even Howard might get a reality check here. Sirius will finally see just how hard he is fucking them.

Lol he just signed his last contract. A little too late for that.

I'm not saying they can do anything about it, but it will be funny to see his ego deflated a bit. I will also enjoy knowing Sirius will look stupid for paying him that much.

You know, you don't always have to have the last word.

Yeah, but how will I know that I've won if I don't?

You could just let it go, friend. Be the bigger man.

I don't even know what language your speaking right now. If I don't get the last word, people will think I'm wrong! I won't allow it, justice will be done.

You know, you don't always have to have the last word.

Yeah I do

We know Chip, shit..

u/glitch77

Bit killer.

You know, you don't always have to have the last word.

You know, you don't always have to have the last word.

This. I've always felt like Howard has inflated his numbers. If you listen to him, he claims like he has 70% of total Sirius subscribers listening to his show.

I remember Chris Rock would mess with him all the time on this. "I'm coming here to plug something for your 80 listeners" or something and Stern would quickly say "No, we have millions listening here" and change the subject as fast as possible.

Howard made 85 mill last year. I wouldn't give a shit if I had a show where 9 people listened if you paid me 85 million.

Howard will give a shit. He's a guy who needs to be number 1 always

At some of the roasts they made fun of that too the comedians etc. and I'd bet those guys being in the outer-circle for Stern show who are out doing other things would feel the difference the most

Howard might laugh and be fine with his pay to listener ratio. I can hear him addressing all ten of his listeners, saying I don't want to know your names.

Opie would be devastated. Previously I thought Ant would be more like Howard, now...

No more celebrity birthday parties, though. And goodbye to Jay Thomas or whoever he generously gives 3 hours to on 101.

Maybe you're right but I'm one of the subscribers that wouldn't subscribe without Howard.

I get it. I only subscribe for Ronnie B.

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Man, so they really haven't had any sort of Arbitron system for their own shit until now. Ridiculous.

I've been screaming this for years now.

Satellite is a one-way protocol.

Sirius doesn't know if you tune in to Howard Stern.

Sirius doesn't know if you tune in to Martha Stewart.

Sirius doesn't even know if the radio is ON.

If you're over 40, you might remember that country music and rap music became HUGE in the nineties. You know why? Because record stores didn't track what sold until the 90s, and the hipster faggots that run record labels don't like country or rap music. Once the music labels started collecting actual statistics, they found out that rap and country were hugely popular, and under-reported. If it wasn't for scantron, guys like Notorious B.I.G. would have never found a record label.

Who have been screaming this to?

He doesn't know - his screaming is a one-way protocol.

I definitely haven't been tuning in.

THE VOICES IN MY HEAD

Hipsters don't have the drive to operate record labels and love country and rap. The people you are referring to are often referred to as Semetic.

I'm sure there's a couple nancies can run a musique shoppe

Country and rap music are the music of the lower class whites and black in america, middle class college kids want to jerk off to radiohead while the drooling masses want Garth brooks and tupac.

so, pretty much everyone is a faggot.

I've been screaming this for years now

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I hate this place, the medicine doesn't work

Yeah Nielsen worked in the early 90s to show what the population at large listened to, but Nielsen has become bloated and worthless and doesn't have an even close to appropriate formula for the modern day.

Sorry I'm autistic as shit and wrote a 30 page paper in university complaining about Nielsen.

My point is, let's go back to the days of djs lying about statistics so we will never have another Achey Breaky Heart.

If the advertisers think that Howard is the most listened to, then I guess that was good enough for Sirius to throw millions of dollars at him for five more years...I guess it worked.

That's why Howard made those ridiculous boasts about his listener base - nobody could call him on his bullshit.

if it wasnt for scantron

Yes, and if Notorious BIG wasnt also using a #2 pencil for the bubbles wed never have heard of him

Arbitron??

Which clearly explains why signing up for an online trial takes about 5 minutes and gives a full month of listenership, probably counting that free trial in as one premium subscriber for that month, cause they give you the premium membership with all channels on the trial. Would look a lot better when they send that out in the quarterly stakeholders report

Please stop screaming at me.

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I kinda flip-flop on how much I consider rap to be music. Seems closer to poetry. And I grew up on hip-hop.

Let the downvotes by twenty-somethings commence

Takes middle of the road flip-flop stance

Challenges downvoters

Useful post. Now get back to washing dishes

Don't try and get edgy now. Just take the hit, middle-of-the-road guy.

I guess that depends on how much singing factors in to your idea of music.

That does factor. What is vocal skill without the ability to hit a note or extend one? But in rap, I have heard people able to hit these lines time and time again and not sound much worse. However, find some chick that can Mariah Carey and it isn't that easy

Vocal skills are wide in range. Do you consider yodeling musical? Just like singing or rapping, great practitioners of yodeling aren't easy to imitate.

Ive heard many people sing and rap almost as good as the pros and probably just as many who stink at both.

What I'm actually saying is that I hear people rapping all the time and don't hear the skill in it as they don't sound all much worse, if at all. I definitely admit to there being some skill in clever writing, but that's not exactly a norm in rap or something I see as overwhelmingly musical. What are we defining music as BTW should be a start.

Edit: yodeling takes some vocal skill I'd think. Control of breath and pitch to produce sounds not ordinary to everyday language.

You've never heard a bad rapper? Google the genre hick-hop. Somebody played me a few songs of that God awful abomination claiming to be music. It will help you appreciate how skilled a good rapper actually is.

And as far as it being music or not, rhythm is still a musical activity. A drummer is still a musician even if they never play a note. Rappers aren't musicians in the traditional sense, but its still music.

Rhythm isn't strictly musical though. A skilled fighter knows rhythm for example. Drummers do not sing but they should be able to read sheet music, have the ability to play an instrument, and are a part of an actual band. Rap kinda seems more like a hustle sometimes. A way to get paid for talking/acting "cool".

Rhythm isn't strictly musical though. A skilled fighter knows rhythm for example.

Don't know much about boxing, but that rhythm is probably not musical. As in metered and measured.

Drummers do not sing but they should be able to read sheet music, have the ability to play an instrument, and are a part of an actual band.

There are drummers who can't read music, sing, or play any other instruments. Not even melodic percussion. And rap music can be backed by a live band.

Rap kinda seems more like a hustle sometimes. A way to get paid for talking/acting "cool".

I find this to be an incredibly odd assessment. Not all rap is about gangsta shit or violence or selling drugs. There's nerd rap about star wars and video games. There's redneck rap about pickup trucks and mud riding. There's even people rapping in other languages about whatever they like.

But to each their own. There's plenty of shit I don't like.

seems like a pointless distinction. they aren't reading lines a cappella most of the time, they're delivered and performed over a backing instrumental with added production. how could that not be music?

Well my first question is, how many rappers would you consider to be musicians?

Next question is, what is not considered music?

all of them

prose is not music. poetry delivered without regard for rhythm isn't music. giving a speech isn't music

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Yeah those aren't live instruments. And what do you classify as non-music? I'm curious, how far do you go to call something music? Are the crickets in my yard making music?

a computer or a sampler or programmed drums can be as powerful, emotive, and typically even more diverse of an instrument as/than any live instrument. and regardless there's plenty of live instruments in rap anyway

i would never call what crickets make music, the same way i wouldn't call birdsong or monkey's humming music or whales singing music, because music to me is attuned to a human's ear. that is their own version of music, sound produced either for the sake of it or its aesthetic value, but it's not from and for humans

Yes and no - I'm sure they have some sort of basic way of telling a general number. Your radio has to elect a channel when you change stations. That will give them a count every time a channel is pulled.

But they don't know how long you listen or with on demand when you listen, what you listen to, how long you listen to it, if you skip ads, which one you listen to etc. I'm sure the new system will even track volume levels.

This could mean some people get pay raises, some get cut, better ads people actually want to listen to, and some people getting cut. Guess we will see how this plays out in the next couple of years. Eck.

It was a Good run Sam.

It certainly was.

I'm sure they have some sort of basic way of telling a general number. Your radio has to elect a channel when you change stations. That will give them a count every time a channel is pulled.

Do you have a source on that? I always thought the signal was sending all the channels and it's up to the radio to adjust to the correct one with each change. None of that information goes back to the satellite since you'd have to be sending signal back from your little receiver, which I don't believe it does.

He's talking out of his ass. There's absolutely nothing about current radios that sends any information back to Sirius. I would imagine this new system does something like cache data on your radio then send it back in chunks via 3G or 4G or something similar.

And you're right about how the satellites send out multiplexed audio and it's up to your receiver to strip out just the channel you want to listen to.

They probably already have a fairly accurate idea of how many people listen to what and how long just by extrapolating streaming listenership.

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Yeah... but they also provide internet streaming access... you could easily use that as a sample to get more accurate statistics than the stupid arbitron system.

Yes but only a small % of SXM users are listing online and that's presumably a younger crowd than everyone else.

They also have panel data from Nielsen.

I'm calling it now: Opie Radio averages 30 listeners a day at best.

25 of whom post here.

24 of whom are just "hate-listening" anyway.

And the other 5 happen to be the ones recording it.

I wish they would both stop posting and listening.

I bet the stupid Morning Mashup crushes them.

That's for certain.

But the question is, does Bennington have more listeners?

Its about fucking TIME they did this. Why would you not integrate data acquisition and trending and stuff on the shows on your platform, itd be so easy when you are in control of the hardware and software end

Two reasons:

1) Satellite radio is a one-way protocol. IE, if you want data to go back and forth, you need new radios and new satellites. That's an expensive proposition.

2) Sirius is a monopoly. The lack of competition hindered technical innovation.

Get a load of Doctor Satellite over here. Was NASA not accepting interns? Ah I'm just bustin ya balls. Love you.

You know what we got here?! A motherfuckin Charlie Bronson, Mr. Magestik.

The XM Protocol spec is public, it actually looks like it is already bi-directional

3.1 The PCR byte code layouts

The XM protocol is based on bi-direction communication. There are requests sent from the “controller” device to the XM hardware. The “controller” being your PC, head units, and the remove control from XM. There are responses sent from the XM hardware back to the “controller”, basically this is the feedback based on the requests you sent. You can look at this as your calling a function and you want a return type to check against. The responses will let you know if the XM hardware is getting the right commands or not, or in some cases return the data you are requesting (Channel Info, Song Tile, Artists, etc).

All requests take the form:

5A A5 <length of data> <command data> ED ED

5A A5 = header bytes <length of data> = two bytes in the big-endian (MSB) byte order. <command data> = the number of bytes that <length of data> specifies ED ED = tail bytes

All responses take the form:

5A A5 <length of data> <command data> <checksum> 5A A5 = header bytes

<length of data> = two bytes in the big-endian (MSB) byte order. <command data> = the number of bytes that <length of data> specifies.

<checksum> = the number of bytes received from the requests

Check out the big brain on Brad!

He could be making it all up but what do I know? I'm just a baker and as long as I get my fresh cup of joe in the morning, my customers get their fresh bread and that's all I need to know.

☕️=🍞

Minimum Wage Joe

YES YOU DID. YES. YOU DID. YOU TRIED TO FUCK HIM.

That appears to be a client/server protocol in the XM radios themselves. For instance, I used to have an XM Boombox which had a 'remote control' that docked into the boombox. The 'remote control' was about twice the size of an iPod, and it allowed you to choose channels, turn up the volume, etc.

Thanks to Moore's Law, those old clunky units are long gone, and everything is integrated into a single device now. My first XM Radio was 'portable' but was half the size of a shoebox. It was the smallest satellite radio in the entire industry. (This was in 2004.)

My first XM Radio was 'portable' but was half the size of a shoebox. It was the smallest satellite radio in the entire industry. (This was in 2004.)

Wat? I bought an XM Roady in 2003 that wasn't much bigger than a cassette tape.

So i wonder if theyre just periodically emitting all data and have unified streams for every station and the radio has to capture and filter all of them. Thatd be pretty retarded but i guess it is SXM...

It's likely just a firehose of data coming down from the satellite. When you "tune in" to a channel on the receiver, the receiver plays the channel you requested. You aren't communicating with the satellite, you're communicating with the receiver.

The key to all of this is compression; the XM signal is massively compressed.

who the fuck would ever phrase that as "thanks to moore's law" and "that appears to be a client/server protocol" (oh you don't say?) except someone that has only extremely surface level knowledge and wants to sound smart

That's not the only thing bi-directional around here y'know?

I wonder what Opie would say with this kind of set up?

Can't they put sim cards or something in every unit if they really wanted it

Why can't they figure that shit out?

XM launched their first satellite over fifteen years ago. They got 'locked in' a long time ago. When XM launched their satellites, YouTube and podcasts were years away.

The idea of an XM radio communicating back to the satellite is as outlandish as the idea of an FM radio communicating back to a tower on top of a mountain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_radio

thats why i said sim cards, they can use that cell phone network and have the unit phone home every few weeks or so

That would work.

Another option would be to add a WiFi transmitter into the radios, then give customers an incentive to put their SXM receivers on their WiFi networks. Then get the customer's to sign off on sending dating to SXM for "analytics."

Similar to what Microsoft does with Skype, where it asks your permission to send call metrics back to the mothership.

You could probably do it with bluetooth to; put a bluetooth transmitter in the XM radio, have it send data to your phone, which is then sent to SXM via the data network on your phone. That option would be dicier because 4G data isn't free. (he needed da money!)

yeah those space ship tech prolly aint out yet in the old days. but they prolly already got all that cell phone towers set up 30 years ago and ready to go. they dont even have to put it in every radio they can just do it like nielsen did

I sincerely doubt they're going to ask their customers to sync up the data themselves. It'd be better than what they have now but not by much.

I bet they'll put cheap mobile antennas in the units since the amount of data they'll be transferring is tiny and the unit only needs to call home once or twice a day to report stats.

ME: we broadcast to millions of listeners worldwide every day

And London.

And we're working on Glasgow as we speak. Do you know what we really need to keep this network pfg? We're always looking for sponsors.

City 91, you know who you are.

Scorch is such a classic.

FUCK YEEEEEEEEAH!!

FACT.

Disdaenddo.

What was the edit?

Now we'll get the hard data on what homosexual truck drivers listen to

they can't afford Sirius anymore. Apparently some wormy gay imp stole their money to make a gay cartoon.

You're making a cartoon?

I'm crozz crozzling in case you didn't know, this is my show and it's still better than Jimmys

Must be nice to be able to run a company for so long without tracking the most basic metric you can think of.

I worked in wireless back in the day, and we got to a point where we were growing so fast, we couldn't track the calls.

That caused a tiny little problem : we came real close to being unable to bill the customers. As in, we literally didn't know how much to charge them. Did they use ten minutes of talk time? A hundred? Two hundred?

This was a long time ago, obviously, nobody charges for 'talk time' anymore.

I think my electric company just bills me what they think I should owe.

I was looking at my water bill once day and saw some fuckery, and called them about it. They said they could only measure what came IN the house, and just estimate what goes out to charge me for. So if I just ran a hose 24-7, they would just double that amount, even though the water didn't go back out of my pipes.

I like how I can set up a website in five minutes and get every metric known to man, down to what browser or platform someone visited from, but billion dollar companies can't tell when their service is being used.

5 minutes??? You should start your own billion dollar company!

I'm speaking of using Squarespace or Wix, Ebay, shit even Esty gives you traffic feedback. Yet Sirius doesn't know their own listening numbers? I don't believe that at all.

Ahh I gotcha, I wouldn't doubt if Sirius had a good idea but couldn't get exact numbers.

Tsssss metric, wat are they European or sumthin Tsss Tsss

This makes me worry about Ronnie B more than anything else

His clogged arteries will kill him long before his show dies.

Everybody is all in with daughter father radio talking about kids now a day and indie music and movies it's what's the haps u know what I am saying

Id go "ALL IN" with THAT daughter. Knowwaddamean? Anyone? Hello? Get it? "all in"? Get it?

She's not very tall?

Yes, Opie, we got it. We always got it, but thanks for being the " radio professional " and making sure to point it out like a good little idiot.

While we're on the topic of your " skills " what the fuck is your deal with being unable to take a joke on your own comedy show? I mean, why bother even turning up? No one likes or respects you. You know that right? Don't you know that?

And for fucks sake get a doctor to cut your tits off, it's the ultimate humiliation for a man to have a pair of tits and yet you seem to wear them like 2 deflating balloons of honor.

I need a hobby.

I can't believe in 2016 that they hadn't this capability before.

Sirius have always had access to 'the numbahs'- they just kept that info from 'talent' for bargaining power- why else would they pay that amount of $$ to Howie

False flag operation....

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At this point, I would love it if the Todd Show suddenly became a satellite powerhouse after they overhaul the programming. ToddRadio 103. Check out the Toddcast on iTunes.

So all the times Opie talked about being showed "tha numbas" he's just been full of shit?

What a faggot asshole.

I wonder how many people listen to the bluegrass channel or what I call the "music from Fallout games" channel. I know that when I had my free subscription I did my part to get their numberrrrzzz up.

I unironically love 50's on 5.

So does Ant.

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Hair Nation, nigga.

I think Sirius XM is one the best examples of why you want competition in the market. They're so basic and mundane.

I think Howard is in for more of a reality check than anyone else.

I still can't believe Sirius has been paying him so much money and yet they can't even track how viewers his channel gets. Remember when Danny came on here and said he saw something left in a copy machine that said Stern gets like 600k listeners a day but he gets on the radio and says he has like 12 million listeners per show.

I'd be shocked if he was higher than the low six figures at this point. Oh well, the old man (and the boys) managed to con the company out of a small fortune.

With him I wouldn't doubt it. I don't think he could live without an outlet which he could spew all of his opinions and shit. He's too selfish to willingly give up the crown of King of All Media. He'll keep doing radio as long as he is physically able to keep talking and make big money.

But-but management says they like the direction of the show!

Don't start sentences like that

Management has their heads in their ass tho.

A lot remains unclear about SXM 17 Exactly when we'll start to see the SXM 17 service rolling out in cars is unclear, but it probably won't be for at least another year. The company says some automakers are expected to begin testing the technology later this year, but we probably shouldn't see the features being offered until late 2017 or 2018.

Don't get your hopes up just yet.

Yeah Opie will retire before this is widespread. Radio death before dishonor or sumpin'.

Do you still like him?

I'm indifferent. I switch between O&J, Howard and NPR mostly during the morning commute. I don't get angry or enraged when they stink, I switch to something else. I'm not one that thinks that they stink all of the time.

NPR

Fag.

There's an interesting piece of trivia in Larry Flynt's autobiography. Larry ran the numbers, and found that his readership was polarized. While he had tons of blue collar readers, he also had a lot of college educated white collar readers.

I've noticed the same thing with O&A, it seems to consist of truck drivers and engineers, and nothing in the middle.

I have always found that fascinating about O&A and Howard. You got barely literate construction workers and the sharpest comedians in writers rooms listening at the same time. Quite a feat to appeal to both segments.

Maybe I'm giving O&A too much credit, but I wonder if it's an IQ Thing?

IE, I know some people who are engineers, and are incredibly smart. But I also know some truck drivers who are really smart. My friend who's a truck driver is a total 'non-conformist.' He was that punk rock kid in college that god good grades but couldn't deal with authority. In college he delivered pizzas because he didn't want to deal with a boss, and after college he just wound up driving an 18 wheeler. (He has a completely useless college degree.)

In a nutshell, I couldn't picture him working as a drone in an office, but I could definitely see him listening to O&A.

Yeah, makes sense. I'm pretty well educated and used to have a very successful career before I had a break down and quit. Now I'm just a stupid bellman at a hotel. There are definitely a lot of sharp people out there in "dumb" jobs. I look at O&A and Howard as very nuanced comedy shows that take a while to "get". There are many layers to the shows and that appeals to more intelligent people.

Do you like me?

I'm indifferent, but I still updated your comments because you thought enough to reply if that matters.

For me its between them, music channels, bonfire replays and whatever is on comedy central radio in the am

I'm a switch hitter too....cept it's fox for me

I don't have Sirius so I can't listen to howard or O & J

So instead I get the Bob and Tom show. Nothing innovative or all that interesting, but it's good enough to keep me company for my 15 minute drive.

PS I think Bob and Tom is actually much better now that Bob and Christy Lee are gone

This is going to be great!

Well Bubba wont have to bribe anybody

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LoL s0 R@nD0m!!1!!1!

No need to bring up Disney shows Ant beat off to.

I always assumed they were full of shit when they said they didn't know the numbers

"our listeners found a way to avoid being tracked" arguments

Do we know yet how this is going to work? I imagine there will be a 3G/4G antenna in the unit and Sirius will partner up with some telecoms to be able to transmit the data back to HQ.

Ohhhh boy im sure Sam Roberts is the real victim here, goodbye you freakish looking professional broadcaster it was nice while it lasted.

Also Erick Nagel show, race wars, rich and bonny.

If opie and jimmy were going to resign in october they better pray this happens after negotiations so the paycut is not so severe.

And Ron Bennington idk. Maybe, just maybe that straight edge no drugs or alcohol centaur will ride another day.

The fact they didn't have this type of data available until now is fucking baffling. And boy is this a death blow to Tits.

Hilarious

It will be half a decade before everyone upgrades their radios to the new platform.

Didn't /u/dannyfromtheshow say in a thread that he saw some thrown out papers that said they had like 30 thousand listeners while Howard had something like 600?

I think some of you underestimate the utter shit programming that the other stations have. Even Scott and Todd had their audience.

I just hope this doesn't mean another 11 Hits One type channels and the elimination of the more obscure stuff (and pearl jam radio)

SXM has been falsifying subscriptions #s and defrauding advertisers for years .. any data they put out isn't worth anything, they will likely selectively release favorable numbers to promote particular shows

The ZooPie show will show he has 10000 or less people listening to his tripe.

Time to listen to Bennington religiously.

Hurray! Lil yimmy can join Ant

LOL Jim hasn't appeared on Anthony's show 10 times in two years. The worm is smart enough to keep his distance.

Yea, but ask the work again when he's out of a job. That UFC gig is ain't gonna last him very long.

Jim wants to be a somebody and he wants to be taken seriously like all of the people who opened for him who have passed him by. He's not going to join Anthony's pathetic shitshow for 25 angry impotent Wackbaggers. Jim will continue his standup and taking whatever measly gigs his friends will throw his way because they feel sorry for him.

Ooof... what a reality check he's gonna get once he's done with tits.

there is a small possibility that he could really concentrate and improve his stand up. that would be great. I'm not hopeful however.

Didn't he only have to work few hours a day, and he doesn't have 2 kids and doesn't watch reality tv

Oh, also fucks transvestites diary.

Yea, because it's totally the Worm's ambition to broadcast to a dozen basement dwellers and get payed a busboy's salary. Pretty sure Jim would rather get back on the sauce and die in the gutter than join that cirrohisis-having dago, and who can blame him?

Once they get a studio in the city then Jimmy could be on way more.

I hate to burst your bubble people but they already know exactly how many people are listening

there is a small possibility that he could really concentrate and improve his stand up. that would be great. I'm not hopeful however.

Yeah, makes sense. I'm pretty well educated and used to have a very successful career before I had a break down and quit. Now I'm just a stupid bellman at a hotel. There are definitely a lot of sharp people out there in "dumb" jobs. I look at O&A and Howard as very nuanced comedy shows that take a while to "get". There are many layers to the shows and that appeals to more intelligent people.

His clogged arteries will kill him long before his show dies.

Everybody is all in with daughter father radio talking about kids now a day and indie music and movies it's what's the haps u know what I am saying

Why can't they figure that shit out?

XM launched their first satellite over fifteen years ago. They got 'locked in' a long time ago. When XM launched their satellites, YouTube and podcasts were years away.

The idea of an XM radio communicating back to the satellite is as outlandish as the idea of an FM radio communicating back to a tower on top of a mountain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_radio

You could just let it go, friend. Be the bigger man.

You know, you don't always have to have the last word.

At some of the roasts they made fun of that too the comedians etc. and I'd bet those guys being in the outer-circle for Stern show who are out doing other things would feel the difference the most

I think my electric company just bills me what they think I should owe.

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You've never heard a bad rapper? Google the genre hick-hop. Somebody played me a few songs of that God awful abomination claiming to be music. It will help you appreciate how skilled a good rapper actually is.

And as far as it being music or not, rhythm is still a musical activity. A drummer is still a musician even if they never play a note. Rappers aren't musicians in the traditional sense, but its still music.

I get it. I only subscribe for Ronnie B.

Howard made 85 mill last year. I wouldn't give a shit if I had a show where 9 people listened if you paid me 85 million.