When you hire a freelancer/outsource to a studio, you don't also pay for their hardware/software. You assume they have the means to complete the task. Unless you believe that Jimmy was going to be animating the show or forming his own animation studio. You are an idiot sir, the fact that you can't comprehend this point is mind blowing.
Nope, If a studios equipment cost drops, their prices drop or competition takes their business. simple economics my man.
I own a business, Customers absolutely do pay for my equipment, service, gas, etc. It's divided among my whole customer base, but they absolutely do pay for equipment & maintenance costs, insurance, and salary, that is all factored into my pricing, what do you think businesses do? charge enough for their salary and just eat the cost on their overhead? If my equipment was available free it would reflect in the final sales price.
Speculating on the cost of landscaping is a little bit different than the cost of contracting art/design, "my man". But hey, by all means download some free animation software and see how far that gets you.
I'm not in the animation business, but I have friends who are graphic designers and believe me, They are charging for hardware and software costs. It's just rolled into the final pricing of their hourly rate like any other business. All businesses operate virtually the same way my man.
dude you are missing the point. your post would be as if you had said " mario andretti just lost a race, yet they are selling formula one racing cars at diacount prices. they literally have nothing to do with eachother
No what I poorly stated was he just spent a shitload of money when prices are about to drop through the floor. Just like guys who were buying $10,000+ cameras a few years back that are bitch slapped today by $300-$500 cameras. He tried this project at the wrong time, right when costs are about to drop. Stuff like this are usually game changers. I know when I started my business ERP's were relegated to only the mega corporations, now there's plenty open source ERP's stand alone & small fee cloud based solutions that are ruling the roost and everyone from small to large companies can manage their companies for free or low cost. You don't need to spend 50K on a software solution anymore, from what others are saying this program was prohibitively expensive to most, so this now opens up for more creators to get into the game which drives cost down.
My post was more like saying Mario Andretti just spent $200,000 for a car but they just released a similar or better one for $50,000. He overspent on his little pet project, period, sniff.
you are just wrong. You know nothing what you're talking about you know nothing about this Industry OK. No one who bought a camera three years ago for $10,000 is getting bitch slapped by a $400 camera today fella. that didn't happen. This isn't a game changer he didn't start his thing at the wrong time you really know nothing. No one with us Canon 5D is getting slapped by someone with the Sony Handycam today
People still need to know what they are doing and it takes a lot of time. this is why animation costs a lot not because of the gear that is used. An animator could use a pencil and a piece of paper to do a $20,000 animation for someone
Bro a Panasonic G7 is $600 with 4K video and cinestyle profiles and bitch slaps a 5D. Show me a canon 5D pulling that kind of quality, they can't, for the money a BMPCC is a better choice than a 5D. Talented kids are pulling amazing shit out these days that old guys could only dream of before when they were buying $3,000+ MiniDv cameras. The ultimate result of that is also downward pressure on prices. Videographers are all over the place nowadays.
Remember when going to the music studio costed outrageous amounts of money? You can reserve time for cheap due to the proliferation of high quality cheap gear. Engineers who refused to even bargain in the past are willing to negotiate now, just like animators will have to cheapen their prices or lose business.
Remember when shooting a music video was out of range for 99% of bands, now even a fucking garage band can have a high quality music video.
Remember when hiring a photographer was a serious investment? Not anymore, good photographers are cheap these days to hire out for events.
Remember when getting a logo made was at least a $2,000 investment? People are getting decent logos done today from $5 to $300 and they look way better than that shitty $600,000+ 2012 Olympic Logo that looked like Bobo made it.
An animator could use a pencil and paper just like a writer could use a typewriter, or a cabbie could use a horse, but that shit is obsolete. Programs that boost production and delivery speed will beat out any draconian workflows. Animators are all over the place. Look at the animation some random fan did with an O&A clip, it embarrasses Jimmy's animation and it was probably just some college kid fucking around. Jimmy could of paid that guy $10k and had a better production.
bottom line is jimmy hired the wrong people and cant write or show run an animated series. some animation softwarw being released for free does not change that it does not make jimmy have more imgination and better writting skills. further explaining why your orginal point is wrong
Which I already stated a while back was worded poorly but you still want to make a fuss about. How about reading everything first before making a comment.
My original point is true whether you like it or not. He overpaid for a shitty production. Writing skills & imagination notwithstanding.
ok so now since the software is out there should never be a shitty animation ever again and the rest of the chip episodes should be on par with simpsons season 5 right?
It has bearing on him mooching for large sums of money when if he would thought more carefully about what he was doing he wouldn't have needed to ask for so much money in the first place.
it's like him asking fans for 100K to shoot an aerial helicopter shot when, if he would have actually studied the market beforehand, he would of realized he could have done the same shot with a $100 action camera and a cheap drone.
The writing would of still been shitty, but he wouldn't of bilked his fans out of so much scratch and could have found better and cheaper animators.
you are assuming norden is not a wormy scum bag. i think he is. i assumed this was either incompetency or a cash grab on his part. maybe why we r on slightly different pages?
Also I'm absolutely certain that whichever studio Jimmy used would have access to pro-grade animation software anyway; and I highly doubt the price of which was any kind of major factor in his pricing of the crowdfund campaign.
It's not about access, it's about Jimmy could of have had an animation made for a hell of a lot cheaper than he did. He blindly hired some company, paid out the ass, and got a shitty fiverr quality production out of it.
Don't care point obviously went over some heads. They probably also don't realize the benefit that a recording mixer no longer cost $20,000 and can be had for $300 and produce the same quality. Jimmy just did the equivalent of buying the $20,000 mixer when the $300 mixer of better quality was available. Jimmy is a fucking retard.
Nah, this would be the equivalent of people having access to pro grade cameras for free. and yes P&S and and DSLR sales are plummeting due to 4k camera phones. Photographers are a dime a dozen and prices are cheap to hire a photographer compared to 10 years ago.
46 comments
18 CarlosTheCumKing 2016-03-21
Are you one of those people that thinks Computer Generated Imagery means the computer actually creates art without any intervention from an artist?
2 I_Hate_Knickers 2016-03-21
haha Opie's a bit like Fry only older, fatter, tittier, stupider and less dimensional.
0 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
Nope, I'm one of those people who realize free professional grade software drastically lowers the cost of production.
3 zmontoya 2016-03-21
When you hire a freelancer/outsource to a studio, you don't also pay for their hardware/software. You assume they have the means to complete the task. Unless you believe that Jimmy was going to be animating the show or forming his own animation studio. You are an idiot sir, the fact that you can't comprehend this point is mind blowing.
-1 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
Nope, If a studios equipment cost drops, their prices drop or competition takes their business. simple economics my man.
I own a business, Customers absolutely do pay for my equipment, service, gas, etc. It's divided among my whole customer base, but they absolutely do pay for equipment & maintenance costs, insurance, and salary, that is all factored into my pricing, what do you think businesses do? charge enough for their salary and just eat the cost on their overhead? If my equipment was available free it would reflect in the final sales price.
4 zmontoya 2016-03-21
Speculating on the cost of landscaping is a little bit different than the cost of contracting art/design, "my man". But hey, by all means download some free animation software and see how far that gets you.
0 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
I'm not in the animation business, but I have friends who are graphic designers and believe me, They are charging for hardware and software costs. It's just rolled into the final pricing of their hourly rate like any other business. All businesses operate virtually the same way my man.
3 crunchtimestudio 2016-03-21
Hey while we're here, can I get a quote on my lawn?
1 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
Actually I run a tree service now. I started with lawns and fertilization though. :p
4 crunchtimestudio 2016-03-21
Quiet, blue collar worker, a gentleman is speaking!
2 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
Haha! :p
1 crunchtimestudio 2016-03-21
I'm just giving you a good-natured ribbing, I don't even have a lawn! How whimsical
1 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
It's all good, I worded the title poorly and deserve the ball busting I am getting.
3 crunchtimestudio 2016-03-21
Oh, you absolutely deserved to get slaughtered, there's no disputing that.
1 zmontoya 2016-03-21
We know
1 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
do ya?
7 SirWallaceII 2016-03-21
This is an awful point and you are a complete moron and I also think Jimmy's animation was garbage
1 I_Hate_Knickers 2016-03-21
Tsss...yeah well you're a lesson or sumpthin
0 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
Awful point until you see people with real talent making animations that smoke Jimmy's shit cartoon for virtually nothing.
3 SirWallaceII 2016-03-21
dude you are missing the point. your post would be as if you had said " mario andretti just lost a race, yet they are selling formula one racing cars at diacount prices. they literally have nothing to do with eachother
1 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
No what I poorly stated was he just spent a shitload of money when prices are about to drop through the floor. Just like guys who were buying $10,000+ cameras a few years back that are bitch slapped today by $300-$500 cameras. He tried this project at the wrong time, right when costs are about to drop. Stuff like this are usually game changers. I know when I started my business ERP's were relegated to only the mega corporations, now there's plenty open source ERP's stand alone & small fee cloud based solutions that are ruling the roost and everyone from small to large companies can manage their companies for free or low cost. You don't need to spend 50K on a software solution anymore, from what others are saying this program was prohibitively expensive to most, so this now opens up for more creators to get into the game which drives cost down.
My post was more like saying Mario Andretti just spent $200,000 for a car but they just released a similar or better one for $50,000. He overspent on his little pet project, period, sniff.
1 SirWallaceII 2016-03-21
you are just wrong. You know nothing what you're talking about you know nothing about this Industry OK. No one who bought a camera three years ago for $10,000 is getting bitch slapped by a $400 camera today fella. that didn't happen. This isn't a game changer he didn't start his thing at the wrong time you really know nothing. No one with us Canon 5D is getting slapped by someone with the Sony Handycam today
People still need to know what they are doing and it takes a lot of time. this is why animation costs a lot not because of the gear that is used. An animator could use a pencil and a piece of paper to do a $20,000 animation for someone
1 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
Bro a Panasonic G7 is $600 with 4K video and cinestyle profiles and bitch slaps a 5D. Show me a canon 5D pulling that kind of quality, they can't, for the money a BMPCC is a better choice than a 5D. Talented kids are pulling amazing shit out these days that old guys could only dream of before when they were buying $3,000+ MiniDv cameras. The ultimate result of that is also downward pressure on prices. Videographers are all over the place nowadays.
Remember when going to the music studio costed outrageous amounts of money? You can reserve time for cheap due to the proliferation of high quality cheap gear. Engineers who refused to even bargain in the past are willing to negotiate now, just like animators will have to cheapen their prices or lose business.
Remember when shooting a music video was out of range for 99% of bands, now even a fucking garage band can have a high quality music video.
Remember when hiring a photographer was a serious investment? Not anymore, good photographers are cheap these days to hire out for events.
Remember when getting a logo made was at least a $2,000 investment? People are getting decent logos done today from $5 to $300 and they look way better than that shitty $600,000+ 2012 Olympic Logo that looked like Bobo made it.
An animator could use a pencil and paper just like a writer could use a typewriter, or a cabbie could use a horse, but that shit is obsolete. Programs that boost production and delivery speed will beat out any draconian workflows. Animators are all over the place. Look at the animation some random fan did with an O&A clip, it embarrasses Jimmy's animation and it was probably just some college kid fucking around. Jimmy could of paid that guy $10k and had a better production.
higher price does always mean higher quality.
1 SirWallaceII 2016-03-21
your orginal statment still holds Zero water.
bottom line is jimmy hired the wrong people and cant write or show run an animated series. some animation softwarw being released for free does not change that it does not make jimmy have more imgination and better writting skills. further explaining why your orginal point is wrong
1 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
Which I already stated a while back was worded poorly but you still want to make a fuss about. How about reading everything first before making a comment.
My original point is true whether you like it or not. He overpaid for a shitty production. Writing skills & imagination notwithstanding.
1 SirWallaceII 2016-03-21
ok so now since the software is out there should never be a shitty animation ever again and the rest of the chip episodes should be on par with simpsons season 5 right?
just admit you are a silly goose already
1 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
Nope, it means talented people will use it to make cartoons that surpass Jimmy's shit fest for a fraction of the cost.
Just admit you're being purposely obtuse already.
1 SirWallaceII 2016-03-21
im so confused at this point i have no idea. all i know is that this free software has no bearing on Jim's show
1 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
It has bearing on him mooching for large sums of money when if he would thought more carefully about what he was doing he wouldn't have needed to ask for so much money in the first place.
it's like him asking fans for 100K to shoot an aerial helicopter shot when, if he would have actually studied the market beforehand, he would of realized he could have done the same shot with a $100 action camera and a cheap drone.
The writing would of still been shitty, but he wouldn't of bilked his fans out of so much scratch and could have found better and cheaper animators.
1 SirWallaceII 2016-03-21
you are assuming norden is not a wormy scum bag. i think he is. i assumed this was either incompetency or a cash grab on his part. maybe why we r on slightly different pages?
1 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
Possibly, I'm just being jewish always looking for the cheapest deal and focusing on the money aspect more so than his worminess. :p
2 SirWallaceII 2016-03-21
nuff said lol good chattinf w u sir
6 [deleted] 2016-03-21
are the koreans who do the animation work free too?
1 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
Why hire Koreans? there's poorer countries that will work cheaper.
4 imcrapyall 2016-03-21
The money went towards retweets man. You just don't understand hollywood and perks on kickstarter.
3 DenseMan 2016-03-21
Yes but I'd like some random guy off the street script a cartoon as poorly as Jennifer Carmody did!
3 crunchtimestudio 2016-03-21
Do you think animation software is the determining factor in a cartoons visual quality, you fucking dope?
2 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
It's a determining factor in workflow & ease of use, which yes, can impact the final output quality.
2 crunchtimestudio 2016-03-21
TAKE DA HIT.
Also I'm absolutely certain that whichever studio Jimmy used would have access to pro-grade animation software anyway; and I highly doubt the price of which was any kind of major factor in his pricing of the crowdfund campaign.
2 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
It's not about access, it's about Jimmy could of have had an animation made for a hell of a lot cheaper than he did. He blindly hired some company, paid out the ass, and got a shitty fiverr quality production out of it.
2 crunchtimestudio 2016-03-21
He didn't pay that high a price for animation. In my neck of the woods, he paid about standard.
I'm not debating that the end result was awful though, but who knows how closely it matched the brief.
3 I_Hate_Knickers 2016-03-21
Did you think that you'd get so much hate for posting this?
" it's Thunderdome! "
2 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
Don't care point obviously went over some heads. They probably also don't realize the benefit that a recording mixer no longer cost $20,000 and can be had for $300 and produce the same quality. Jimmy just did the equivalent of buying the $20,000 mixer when the $300 mixer of better quality was available. Jimmy is a fucking retard.
2 zmontoya 2016-03-21
That's a good point, why do people hire photographers? don't they know their cellphone has a camera in it??
2 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
Nah, this would be the equivalent of people having access to pro grade cameras for free. and yes P&S and and DSLR sales are plummeting due to 4k camera phones. Photographers are a dime a dozen and prices are cheap to hire a photographer compared to 10 years ago.
1 [deleted] 2016-03-21
when that happens, put the link here.
1 CigarsNCrotch 2016-03-21
Actually I run a tree service now. I started with lawns and fertilization though. :p