/u/StevePemberton posted this the other day and it really stood out to me as what the truth probably is.

I also think Jim is a coward. He's a middle-aged upper-midcard comic. He never got his TV or movie gig he wanted. He's at a point where he's realizing that he has peaked and needs to cling to his dependable source of income. Because of this, Daddy says jump and Lil Yimmy asks how high. We're watching a man swallow his pride in real time.

Well put. The part that bugs me the most is how he sells himself as this brutally honest person, when in reality he'd sooner admit to sucking actual dick than figurative dick. He's only staying neutral so he can side with whoever seems like the safest bet, be it now or in the future.

For some reason it's hard to be mad at him, though. He's so unintimidating, that it's pretty much how you'd expect him to act... like a scared child in the midst of divorce. He's gonna choose the parent who he believes will provide the most stable home environment.

I just have a hard time blaming him. People look back from the current day perspective and say, well ant has a show and it's fine so Jim should've been there as well. That's horseshit. So many reasons other than risk explain why Jim stayed. Logistically it didn't make much sense, just the act of driving back and forth. He has to get to the Cellar to perform. Easy with the gift of foresight to blame him in retrospect.

And yeah Ant was entirely unproven in his idea, I can't blame Jim for not being there at first. Versus money, stability. He's in the least stable job in the least stable industry in the world. Plenty of comics with HBO specials have never been heard from again. And he probably didn't know exactly what was going on with Op or Ant seeing as both are uncommunicative as fuck. How the fuck are broadcasters so intimidated by speaking???

No they all should have boycotted the show. O&A always tried to say they weren't just a radio show and had dignity. This was there biggest point against Howard Stern. When shit went down they folded like a house cards, everything they have said over the years was complete horseshit.

they weren't just a radio show and had dignity

are you insane? it IS just a radio show. what's dignified about making fun of retarded people? i swear, you fuckers are so cultish.

I'm just saying what they would say about 30 times a day

fair enough. im a cunt and im sorry.

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This 100%, just look at all of his tweets and comments about ants firing. All coward pussy remarks that are luke warm. Where's tough guy honest JImmy who fights the good fight? Lmao Jimmy is Sgt. O'Neill from Platoon

It's going to be interesting to see where Jimmy stands. He's stated he'll be on TACS "a lot more" once the NYC studio is up and running. I wonder how Opie will feel about that and whether he says something behind the scenes.

The most negative and incendiary possible interpretation is rarely the most accurate one, but it IS the one the internet will assume the quickest.

He picked sides by staying on the show. Paycheck made his bed, now he has to lay in it, or maybe he can sleep in it or sumtin tsss

He and Anthony have obviously talked about the situation and are still close. Anthony understands why Jimmy is still there. Also, once Anthony gets into the city Jimmy said he would definitely be there multiple times a week when he was on Ant's show a couple weeks ago.

Ant knows jimmy is a pussy ass Sgt. O'Neill from platoon

The bed is made of money and the easiest job imaginable. I'm sure he's very happy to lie in it.

He went for the money and I don't fucking blame him. Neither does Ant. I fucking guarantee you Ant said something like "go get your money motherfucker, I did" to Jim. Milk that shit for a couple more years then leave and start new. Fuck it.

I get that but they are in an industry where they sell their personality. So, good for him getting his paycheck. But now when he goes on his rants about free speech or politically correctness, I think of him as a fraud

Jimmys a fucking phony. I remember that insane batch of nude pics released right around the time Jimmy was on his high horse in discussion about the media and invading people's privacy.

He was so desperate to show he believed in his bullshit opinion and so desperate to not be called a hypocrite, he came out and said "I never looked at those pics, not even once."

What a crock of shit.

lol in his last book he got a whole chapter gossiping about britney spears and K-Fed, and to this day hes still ranting about paparazzi

I think you're conflating his unique situation with his stance on things that seem comparable but aren't. If you really want to compare and contrast I think we have to think a bit more critically. When it comes to free speech and political correctness, Jim is with Ant on a lot of things yet he disagrees with the way he handles it and voices his opinions. I do agree that Tits and Jim should have fought for him on-air though.

I think he says the right things. But when arguably the most essential part of the successful radio show he was a part of, gets fired for insensitive tweets, his actions was to stay with the show

he has been preaching that shit for decades in the safety of the sxm echo chamber, finally its time for him to step up and practice what he preach he decided to do the opposite

That's exactly what I've been trying to say!

Like how can he call a corporation a "jizz bucket" for not sticking by someone who has "insensitive" tweets when he chose his money over sticking by Anthony?

nope, he tried to get jimmy to join him iirc.

Yeah but he said that but you don't think he was hurt he had to say that shit? Jimmy was his boy and OPie was his business partner and they both left him like he was a nobody piece of shit.

"Jimmy is normally a pretty critical person" except for when it involves another 'comedian' for lack of a better term. The running joke has always been that Jimmy won't burn any bridges, which is why he's defended hack comedians and actors in the past. Andy Kindler is just one example.

Jim lost all credibility when they re-signed. I get they had to stay on after ant's firing for possible legal repercussions, but there is no justifiable reason for them to have signed a new contract without ant, unless of course they didnt care that he was gone, which obviously isnt true in Jim's case. It's funny how in the months leading up to the firing they railed about the outrage culture and the phony apologies but then when it came time for them to stand up against it they folded like everyone else. It was all talk in the end.

I think people here have forgotten there's a difference between re-sign and resign. Jesus

my bad, fixed

the worm moniker fits him perfectly. remember when he un-followed his real friends on twitter?

I'm sure he'll look back at this time and regret it. Shit, he's probably pretty miserable already. I can understand Jimmy's position, and although I don't agree with it, I can't hate him on the same level as Opie. Jimmy at least went on TACS a couple times, and supports Ant in any way he can without rustling the torpid sloth from it's slumber.

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I agree with this... I don't fault jimmy for staying. The ability to collect a large paycheck for working 16 hours a week and not having to go on the road is great. He maintains his strong relationship with Anthony and I know will frequent the show more when it moves to the city. Could he have stuck it out with ant? Sure, but there is a lot more risk there and I assume most people with a mortgage they have to pay understands

Exactly, if he has a chance to collect a steady check and show his face and support on the other show then good for him. In the long run, not the best since his fans are turning on him, but he took the ultra conservative route and took the pay day.

When Anthony got fired and Jimmy re-signed with Opie, I don't think Jimmy was truly thinking about how bad things would turn later on. I think he was more-or-less hoping that the controversy would eventually blow over with time and the gang would get back together; and that staying at SiriusXM would be the "best" chance to reunite the boys because two out of the three were already there at SiriusXM with options for future contracts.

Jimmy's not spineless, he's just now caught in the war's crossfire after showing some early diplomacy.

That's what I hope is happening to.

*too

I can definitely see that. No way could he have thought we would be where we are now

Seriously, this is the real world, him and Ant is on good terms. Anthony maybe a little miffed but he seriously needs to calm down about this loyalty thing ( In regards to jimmy). Jimmy gets a paycheck for speaking into a mic. A huge paycheck that he can live off. I used to unload trucks for 0.0001 (I don't know math) procent of what he earns. Anyone over the age of 25 who has worked understands why he took the money. After the shit clears he is still invited to Anthony's show to do plugs. Why would he give a fuck. As long as he is entertaining he can do whatever he wants. Hell both Elvis and Jackson were pedophiles, nobody gave a shit.

As long as he keeps me laughing I really don't care, on a personal level why would he give a shit about choosing sides between two rich old assholes. I bet him and col and bobby frequently laughs together about the whole mess, at how stupid both Ant and Opie are. There has always been (IMO) a certain shitty attitude towards the comics Jimmy brings in, from both Opie and Anthony (more so Opie). You can hear jimmy get upset at how they treat his friends. Telling them to "shut up" or trying to start fights between them. You are the talent, we are the directors type of scenario. Opie tried that shit on jimmy many times but jimmy always bites back. Anthony is much more down to earth.

Jimmy gets a paycheck for speaking into a mic. A huge paycheck that he can live off. I used to unload trucks for 0.0001 (I don't know math) procent of what he earns. Anyone over the age of 25 who has worked understands why he took the money.

finally, someone who lives in the real world. anyone with half a brain knows exactly why Norton re-signed. Why would Anthony want his friend of 10+ years to financially jeopardize himself? That would be unimaginably dickish and if the worms on this sub dont understand that then that's why they dont have friends.

Especially when it comes to the entertainment industry. Even Dave Chappelle said he kinda regrets walking away from the comedy central deal for season 3 (50 mil) during his interview with Letterman, he was all emotional and wanted to do the right thing but in the end he got blacklisted. Before the Chappelle show he had alot of failed pilots and his career was going nowhere.

Unless you are Kevin Hart or Dane Cook(flavour of the month/year) and have that "fuck you" money explained by John Goodman - The Gambler you take the hits and put the money in the bank

This means Norton will overcompensate with more 'epic beatdown' rants about how religious people are fuck'n hypocrites and how at least he's open about it and he's just so goddam sick of these fuckn hypocrites!

Every time he goes on one of those stupid rants its about himself.. desperately about his own shame and guilt and hypocrisy.

He sounded like he was reading from cards Opie gave him to say during the whole thing.

Does he ever mention when he's on Ant's show on O&J? It seems like he's smart enough to know to keep his and Ant's relationship for off air now.

Nobody's happy about it. Staying with Opie was his worst rational option. He likes those. They're professional.

Jim's a brilliant insult comic, informal improviser, one-line killer, and extended autobiographical storyteller. So what's his standup act? A rock-n-roll talk show monologue delivered so stiffly it's like he's lying to the FBI. Professional.

If he took his act seriously and became what he should be, a combination of '90s Stanhope, Spalding Gray, Rodney Dangerfield and Don Rickles, he might become a legend, but he'd definitely lose his casino gigs.

It's hard to get mad about. He does the (least) right thing.

I'm gonna repeat something I said in another thread in defense of Jimmy.

It's like if two restaurant owners decide to go their separate ways and one stays to continue running the restaurant they started. Does the head chef stay with the restaurant which guarantees him a solid and consistent paycheck or leave and hope the other owner lets him work as sous chef for the food truck he's starting. Jimmy did what was best for him and I don't knock him for it.

Because the industry that are in is based on their personality. So what they sell is themselves, not food. So before the incident I thought Jimmy would be the type of dude to walk if O or A were fired. Now I know he is not. I think less of him. Therefore I think less of what he's selling. All the comparisons of other businesses with what O&A&J does not work

How is them selling their personalities different from a chef selling his food? They are both products one is just tangible.

It's different in respect that the taste of a chef's food has nothing to do with their personality while selling your personality only has to do with your personality. That's why I don't care if the guy who owns the pizza place isn't funny but I care that Opie isn't funny. I don't care if Opie makes good pizza

In my analogy the food is the product just like the personality and humor of the radio host is the product. Obviously you don't care if Opie can make a good pizza that's not what I'm saying. Also I'm talking about Jimmy not Opie.

but the personal decision of restaurant owners and chefs have nothing to do with the taste of food. The personal decisions of radio hosts do affect the way you view them.

No, he is going to be funny anywhere he goes. So where does he go? A place that has a potential 10-15 million listeners, he gets to meet top tier celebrities (Ozzy), he has multiple shows on the platform and he's making millions with the guy who told him he was going to get paid if he stuck with the show. Or should he go to a show that wouldn't pay him the same, has about 100-200 thousand listeners, and doesn't get many celebrities for interviews except for the few O&A celeb fans (Not Ozzy). You give me those choices, I'm sticking with Opie everytime and you would too. If you were Jimmy.

And what about his stand up? Does he get more exposure on SiriusXM or on a podcast? Would he still be writing Articles for Time if he was on TACS?

You're relating to him as a business man, I relate to him as a fan. I'm sure Eddie Murphy doing kids movies made him lots of money, as a fan id rather see him do stand-up than Disney movies

This analogy stinks.

I have zero issue with Jimmy and Opie re-signing. It's hard to turn down millions. No one here knows what that's like. I think it's just odd that they didn't 'seem' to fight that much for Ant.

But then again, no one here really knows anything and anything beyond speculation is pure bullshit pontification from bored people.

Should E-Rock, Sam, Troy et al have walked out on SiriusXM in solidarity too? Jimmy's decision to stay=$$$, and I can't blame him. He doesn't have FU money like O&A do. I recall him saying sometime back that he'd only recently broke $1M a year for the first time, so the show is a significant chunk of his income. He's obviously on good terms with TACS, and Ant said long ago that he'd support him in whatever he'd end up doing. I don't see why Cumia needs anyone to White Knight for him against a guy he's doesn't have a problem with. When you little scamps get together you're worse than a sewing circle.

Opie has been taking many potshots at Anthony - without any comment from Jimmy.

If this conflict between O&A boils over this week, Jimmy has to take a side. Jimmy knows the truth about what transpired (both pre and post firing.) He knows all of Opie's lies.

If Jimmy sits by idly and allows Opie to use lies to attack Anthony, he's a spineless bag of shit. Most of the fan base would lose a ton of respect for him.

he will distract opie with tranny logs on his chest jokes

Jimmy above all else lives for that paycheck. Lots of comics do. If it gets them paid, it's the right decision. There is no such thing as selling out in the comedy world.

Anthony matched SXM's contract offer for Jimmy. Money is not the issue. Don't believe what Anthony said? Remember, Anthony outbid SXM for Garrett/Stinky's services.

So, if money is not the issue, what was it? Travel to Long Island? That's part of it. But let's not overlook what the most prominant addiction that Jimmy now has. Celebrity photos and autographs. Jimmy sold out his happiness in doing his job for handful of photos with C list celebrities. He knew that he would see many more of them in SXM than at Ant's house.

There is plenty of blood on Jimmy's hands.

do you think he matched the 30% raise?

i think on a personal level Jim is closer to Opie. they live near each other jim is friends with his wife and kids, so he gives him more leeway

We don't all love Jimmy, speak for yourself OP.

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I've said from the beginning that anyone defending Jimmy is missing the very obvious point that he did the exact same as Opie by not fighting for Ant and being disloyal.

What action did Opie and Jimmy take to try and force Sirius to keep Ant after the incident? They admit they did nothing because they didn't have any 'clout.' Greggshells spouts the lies and Jimmy goes along with them.

If you're giving Opie shit you have to give Norton the same shit for doing the same things.

The difference is Jimmy did not spend years on the radio rallying against the people who made the call to fire Ant. Ant himself said if it were the other way around he would've re-signed. It's a job in the end and Jimmy has been pretty honest and has never tried to spin it the other way.. not once. We could probably make a 10 hour clip of nothing but Opie ranting about how he was gonna walk because of the shit SXM was doing to their show.

I didn't mention anything about him railing against management. Ant also said he would make a big deal about defending the others if they were being fired, he said he would fight for them and not let management destroy the show, Jimmy didn't do any of that. He didn't even have any contact with management, that was all Opie, who lied about fighting and then folded under questioning from Larry King.

When Ant got fired, Jimmy was in a "media freeze" because he got signed to do a sitcom on another network "canned applause".

Dude, no. Jimmy was talking all over the place hoping to god Anthony would get rehired. The first week of Anthony's show he was on twice and alluded to things with hope in his eyes, mentioned on twitter it would be a semi-frequent thing, stuff like that.

Here's an interview from the week of the firing. Look at the hope ... its so desperate. Euclid where are you??

http://www.thelisttv.com/the-list/comedian-jim-norton-talks-opie-anthony-future

to be fair to Jimmy, i suspect Opie kept him in the dark intentionally anyway. Mr. Hughes has not been honest during this whole thing; either in denial or saving face/himself. So if he's been lying to us, I can't imagine what he's been spinning to Jimmy, and what he's held back from him.

I remember someone once saying that Opie made some false promise to Jimmy to get him to resign, and it only recently came out (maybe in that Euclid post) that Jimmy was getting cheated or he was lied to by Opie and only now realizes it.

But I forgot the exact details. Was that true or am I just remembering everything all wrong?

Never mind I just realized it was the 13 Euclid thing, I found it. I retract my statement, and go fuck myself.

He's the Albert Speer of O&A.

Let's hope he becomes the Wernher von Braun and leave the sinking ship for the new emerging superpower.

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James May and Hammond are well into their 40's and didn't bat an eye before quiting over Jeremy's firing. They deserve respect where both Jimmy and Opie deserve none.

It was a really shitty situation to be in. He had 2 choices, the morrally right one or the one that benefits him best personally. He chose personal. I don't blame him, I think he's still funny, but his credibility when talking about being a free speech crusader is now at zero.

The fact Jimmy has just become an Opie-yes-man, where he just sits there and collects a paycheck and fake-laughs or ignores Opies obvious horrid talkshow topics doesn't make me hate him.

It just makes me feel bad for him.

Jimmy is terrified of taking risks. It's the reason why he's always considered a coattail rider. Think tough crowd and O&A. He just wants stability and no risk which is the reason, I'm afraid he won't get too far.

I think on a personal level what Opie (and Anthony) did for Jim was huge, they promoted and still do promote the fuck out of his career. An artist could not ask for better promotion, really. And I hear his clips all the time on Rawdog. So I think that out of loyalty and respect Jim takes kind of a back seat in the argument, and I respect that. Because both guys pimped the shit out of his career, not just one.

And you know what, as shit as Opie is, Ant's bitterness and "too much" ranting was an issue on the show for a long time, so I can see where Opie would have some issues too. They didn't get him fired, he did. In an unfair world. Tough shit. I like Ant, and I respect his politics and views on gimmedats and dindu nuthins. But he did it to himself, he failed to play the game of the corporate world he was in.

People keep harping on about of course Jimmy didn't quit or Jimmy's a dick because he didn't quit. There would have been NO QUITTING at all if Opie would have calmed management down and reminded them that no one was coming forth wanting Ant fired or wanting him to apologize. In fact the, at least 3, different polls that were in 3 different papers/websites, were overwhelmingly in favor of Ant. There didn't have to be any dramatic "I'm quitting" ordeals. Just a few words from Opie. And we all know that didn't happen.

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I'm just saying what they would say about 30 times a day