Like others have been saying, Netlix, Sirius, etc, all those 6 dollar a month charges add up. With so many free podcasts that are highly enjoyable, how long will fans pay for the subscription?
A lot of fans want to show support and purchase right out the gate, especially for the first few months....but fans won't keep subscribing if it doesn't outshine Netlflix, XboxLive, bla bla bla
This is why he needs to be better and different than those free podcasts, which, if they have video at all, are just some schmuck sitting at a desk behind a microphone talking to himself or a guest. That's not much to compete against if you've got hot bikini-clad chicks traipsing around, wacky stunts, and days at the range with non-gun-shooting guests.
I love Anthony and hope this works out for him. But, an alcohol fueled millionaire cheering on naked girls mud wrestling and watching people shoot guns...I can see this being entertaining but you don't think it will get stale?
Not to mention, he has international subscribers now.
What did they say today on the test run? England, Ireland, Australia, Finland, Norway and Germany.
As much as people want to trash him and say 5 people tops will subscribe, he seemed pretty overwhelmed by the response. Even more so when he glanced over to look at the numbers and how many servers they would need in addition to their original estimate.
If nothing else, look at his body language. That's not a man who has failed.
If he goes with advertisers to make an income then he'll be vulnerable to the same shit he just went through, because an angry mob could threaten to boycott the advertisers. With subscriptions the only way he can lose is if he alienates his subscribers, and that's the way it should be; that's real economic democracy.
No it won't. He might not make the millions he was before, but he'll do very well with just 5-10k subscribers.
Also, it is much easier to start out with a paid subscription and then make it free, or at least a few episodes free. If he starting free and then starting charging, he would likely loose a lot of people.
The real issue is, he's too prideful to ever lower that cost or remove the cost, so it will just end up being a niche show for 4,000 people. Hey, the OnA show is pretty much a niche show for about 10,000 people, so there is nothing wrong with that.
Since you think you know it will fail, how about quantifying that statement with a model that will succeed? Since as a poster you have the final word it appears.
I dont fucking care. I paid that. Im paying Anthony. I'm just avoiding these threads from now on I get so pissed at how cheap people fucking are. I paid $60 for Mario Kart 8 today. Spent $399 on a ps4. Pretty sure I can dig up a few bucks for a man I think is funny. I also picked up an older iPod for podcasts cause I'm canceling a radio thats worked for free for 10 years because fuck them. I just give up if 7 dollars a month is so damned high for you all then I give up.
So because you can afford to throw money around on entertainment, everyone else should too or else they are cheap, and you just haaaate cheap people. Got it.
Do you realize that you sound like a huge fucking douche?
Im not going to apologize for having money. I have decided to live a certain way. I love that my sisters and brother have children and are raising them well. It's just not for me. I can't really have a steady woman because I get bored after a maximum of 3 months and just cheat. So why break some girls heart? So instead I have saved money for a long ass time. I'm conservative and I will not be apologizing for that either. It doesn't mean that I can run out and start working for free. So I dont expect Anthony to either. He has another option and that's retire and just quit. What would you rather have? People will make sacrifices for the most ignorant shit. Like I said:fuck it. Done wasting the time and effort to defend the man. Hey maybe you all will bitch piss and moan till you get your wish and he just quits. Everyone did that until the show was broken up and funny how this sub came alive with support. Didn't last long.
Wait a minute, you paid the $2 but your radio worked for free??? Sounds like you paid zero and weren't supporting them at all. I call shenanigans - or less politely you're a liar
No the one I have that works free was originally just a Sirius receiver. I had both xm and sirius but I can't remember why. Its the strangest thing I'll go fire up the old bronco and turn the Sirius on and it'll say something.like "channel.list update.press any key to.continue" and I think its over. They've figured it out. But it just keeps working. Does that every few months. I hit a key and all the channels are there. Hell it sat in the basement for a few years before I installed the thing in my old work truck. It just works. And thr beauty of that..I never use it.
My apologies for jumping the gun on that one, I bought a Sirius at Walmart on close out for a friend, when we, turned it on it worked and did so for 3 years. Then one day it didn't
No big deal. I had a few too many and ranted. I expect it to quit one day on it's own and I'm not too worried. Got an 160gb iPod im filling with podcasts today for 100 bucks. Can't complain.
Why the fuck is this a big deal? 7 bucks for 32 (likely more) hours of content a month, all of which I will most likely consume, sounds like a great deal.
My Netflix costs more than that and I don't spend nearly that many hours on it monthly.
Ants probable logic: He is competing with Sirius and knows that they charge double for their programming. He is charging half and going after Sirius subscribers that only listen to O and A. I mean how many O and A fans are paying for Sirius for their music content? You can get so much free music elsewhere.
I have no idea if it will work out, but I'm excited to see what happens from a financial perspective.
If he was competing with SiriusXM Talk for the former O&A audience, he wouldn't be doing this Live from the Compound reboot late in the afternoon, 2 hours a day, 4 days a week. He'd be going right up against the morning show Opie, Jim and Sam are hosting.
I don't think it's going to work out. He seems to be putting the bare minimum of effort into it; and I doubt if there are that many former O&A listeners willing to watch him phone it in for 8 hours a week, just in the hope of hearing him say the N word.
I don't mind paying it because I hate listening to the radio (AM/FM), because I have enough budgeted (especially after cancelling Sirius) and because I think he's a funny guy. If he shits the bed I'll cancel, easy as that.
Netflix is 8 dollars a month? Shit, I've been paying 15 for the mail in service included and I've had the same damn copy of the Aviator on my shelf since 2011.
Around 8 when it's just me but with so many options, I end up listening to others if I'm out with friends or family. I really like the variety of music stations and the overlap in genre's they have.
I bought in for Opie & Anthony and after all the YouTube content, etc. etc. I don't mind paying 5.00/month to Anthony. He's been making me laugh way before I ever paid Sirius to do so.
but nobody cares. That's the point. 99% of O&A fans pay $16 a month for O&A. Less than half (less than 1/3 if you commit to a year) is pretty reasonable.
"professional" "production". Most shows they wing it and the best ones involve a bunch of comedians insulting each other, or in earlier years, doing bits with homeless people and retarded weirdos.
that was the point of it. it has 10's of thousands of hours of content. I don't understand why he's creating subscription fees for this program. you get 100,000k paying $2 a month. he'll have less of what he was making at Sirius. but $7 per month would completely deter me. I would glady pay up to $3.50. I think the price point is too high, hence the post. with this price point I can't estimate anything over 5k of people paying.
Please tell me why this would get a thumbs down. It's a neutral, logical answer. The only reason to give it a thumbs down is because you see it as harmful to the side you have chosen in an argument. When you refuse to accept basic facts, it lowers the quality of the discussion. You also make yourself look stupid.
Because they're not comparable at all. Netflix is filled with "dead catalog", shows and movies that no longer sell, thus they can be licensed for dirt cheap. The better comparison would be a brand new VOD movie. $7.99 or so for 90 minutes of content. Ant's operating costs (bandwidth plus even the most minimal of staff) necessitates a monthly fee such as this. I'd argue that he doesn't need to do a video show, but if he is, he needs to charge at least this amount to make a profit. He's not a standup who can use this to drum up live crowds, this is his livelihood. He doesn't need the largest possible audience at this point--advertisers won't touch him.
I don't see it as a reason to give me a thumbs down, though. I was explaining why the original poster would make that comparison. That was the question, and I gave an an answer that the OP agreed with. Thumbs down, at least to me, is like saying "you're wrong". But I was right, that was why he did it.
On to what you are saying, though. I don't think the average person cares about the business side of things for the content provider. They care about the money in their pocket and what they can get for it. What provides the best experience for this money? And Netflix is a valid comparison in that regard. Something the buyer can spend that money on for the same purpose, to be entertained. A competitor for that money.
If you only have $8 for your monthly entertainment, I won't argue that Netflix isn't the way to go. Netflix would also probably be the better value even if Ant's show was only $1 a year. You can watch a huge amount of movies and tv shows. I'm using it to watch an episode of The Dick Van Dyke Show as I write this. It's great. I'm keeping it. That said, the idea here is for Anthony Cumia fans to give Anthony Cumia their money in exchange for Anthony Cumia content. We get to hear him, he doesn't lose his house, everyone wins. He can't do a daily video show of high quality for free, or even for a few dollars a month. His operating costs would shock you. The audience needs to pitch in (for now).
though since we already know the show exists we'll comsume that media as it comes. do you like to watch television/news/movies more than one time to justify it?
Who hasn't watched their favorite TV shows and movies multiple times? I have done the same with O&A replays. I see no reason why I wouldn't with Anthony's new show.
I don't do it to justify the purchase - I do it because I enjoy it.
I guess I view it differently. The supply of Anthony is limited, so it's not a generic commodity like "streaming service". There are a few streaming movie services, but only a limited supply of Anthony.
I understand the argument that charging anything at this point is a risk, but if I had to bet I'd say he's counting on a core group of people to make his nut every month with subscriptions and will earn other income over time from additional sources. Having a show with any revenue at all sets him apart from the million other people who simply podcast. It gives him an aura of success that he can perhaps capitalize upon.
So in order to sustain our future, we have to control supply and demand of Anthony and look to more renewable sources of comedy? That's some lefty lib'rul commie shit there.
I will happily pay 5.00/month (my year sub) in order to NOT listen to incessant Howard Stern Birthday commercials and constant SiriusXM emails asking me for my favorites - but not allowing me to select Opie & Anthony. Not to mention the one time I complained about this, they wrote me back and told me that O&A were left off because they were a Premium channel. Hello? Hoo Hoo?
In closing, I watched the test run today. Anthony made me laugh at stupid stuff, like making fun of Al Pacino. I know I will enjoy his show. So I'm happy to fork over the cash to keep him doing what he's doing.
The main reason I'm subscribing is because this is a huge moment in O&A history and I don't want to miss it. I'm a new listener started listening in 2012 and I wish I was listening live for so many epic moments. I don't want to miss something.
Don't like it? Don't subscribe, pretty simple. My only real gripe is I wish there was a smaller price point for fans who only want the audio element of the show.
Its .23 cents per day. Seriously what do you think it should be? My god I would love to see one single positive word from you. I stand by what I said before. You complain so much I dont get it. We all complain but not once have I read a positive thing about Anthony in this sub since the split. Get a job, make some cash and stop whining. You know what? Fuck it. Defending anyone on this radio show is a waste of time. Because no one who is happy jumps online to crow about it. Its just a bunch of whiney bitches. Fuck im sick of it. Its no wonder Opie shits on us as "fans". He's right about this one thing.
That's an interesting idea. I don't know if it's true, but what if the purpose of the entry fee is also to serve as a barrier to non-fans who could cause problems for a potentially controversial show?
a) I'm not complaining. I'm saying outright that I will never pay $6.95 a month for something as shoddy as this; and I can afford to do so a few times over.
b) I think Ant is an extremely funny guy, within the structure of the O&A show (something that no longer exists, and will never exist again). But every time I've seen him work on his own it's been nothing but a chore. It's the one thing he shares with Opie: He's way too content to phone it in, given the opportunity; an incredibly lazy performer who coasts by on endlessly repeated movie quotes and the marginal edginess of thinly-veiled racist humor. He needs something that can kick his lethargic, perpetually hung-over brain into gear; and I see nothing being proposed for this show which will do that.
c) You're actually criticizing someone on the Opie & Anthony subreddit for being negative??
Well I'm good at it because it's similar to beer math. Luckily today I found out my favorite stout has been moved from the craft section to the "almost craft" section next to yuengling. Not sure why it's black mocha stout definitely a lot stronger than anything around it. However at also came with a new price point of $6.29. That's $1.70 less and I couldn't be happier. Yeah I probably drank to much again and I'll regret some of what I said tomorrow. But I'll worry about it then.
Ahhh. I guess my local brew pub uses the same math. They advertise ".50 cent wings every Tuesday!" as one of their specials. They CHARGE $0.50 per wing.
When Netflix starts having podcasts on its service, then we can start making the comparison. As it is, they're way too different for any comparison to have any validity.
And the only ones that are any good are from people who currently have some sort of other income, plus advertising. Anthony will be lucky to get advertisers other than Steven Singer. He has no other employment. So the subscription option makes a lot of sense.
celebrity net worth states that anthony makes 3 million a year. of which opie had snickered at that so I'm sure it's about 4.5 or so.
if he were to charge $3.50 / month (a more reasonable figure(of which I would pay for at that price)) with over a 2 year span to accrue maybe 150k subs. his show would make 6.3mil per year.
he has to promote the shit out of this thing and have people on board for him to make any money.
A hundred and fifty thousand paying subscribers?
OMG that's hilarious.
This subreddit has 8,622 subs and it's free.
If you think that 150,000 people will pay for Cumia's podcast you're delusional.
Ant has the right idea; charge around $10, sign up a couple thousand subs and try to make a career out of this. Lowering the price won't change anything, except make him less money
I don't see it as a reason to give me a thumbs down, though. I was explaining why the original poster would make that comparison. That was the question, and I gave an an answer that the OP agreed with. Thumbs down, at least to me, is like saying "you're wrong". But I was right, that was why he did it.
On to what you are saying, though. I don't think the average person cares about the business side of things for the content provider. They care about the money in their pocket and what they can get for it. What provides the best experience for this money? And Netflix is a valid comparison in that regard. Something the buyer can spend that money on for the same purpose, to be entertained. A competitor for that money.
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22 TheActor_GreggHughes 2014-07-23
So fucking stupid to be charging this, he will have faaaarrrrr less listeners over all.. It will fail.
6 _TheConsumer_ 2014-07-23
I disagree. His hardcore fans will keep the show afloat while the show slowly gains popularity.
He doesn't need many paying fans to make bank. 5k subscribers will result in $35k in monthly revenue. Not bad for a show he runs in his basement.
5 Lasagna_Hat 2014-07-23
Like others have been saying, Netlix, Sirius, etc, all those 6 dollar a month charges add up. With so many free podcasts that are highly enjoyable, how long will fans pay for the subscription?
A lot of fans want to show support and purchase right out the gate, especially for the first few months....but fans won't keep subscribing if it doesn't outshine Netlflix, XboxLive, bla bla bla
1 rumpumpumpum 2014-07-23
This is why he needs to be better and different than those free podcasts, which, if they have video at all, are just some schmuck sitting at a desk behind a microphone talking to himself or a guest. That's not much to compete against if you've got hot bikini-clad chicks traipsing around, wacky stunts, and days at the range with non-gun-shooting guests.
6 Lasagna_Hat 2014-07-23
I love Anthony and hope this works out for him. But, an alcohol fueled millionaire cheering on naked girls mud wrestling and watching people shoot guns...I can see this being entertaining but you don't think it will get stale?
I just want Ope and Jim back :(
6 rumpumpumpum 2014-07-23
I anticipate that we'll see a lot of Norton on Ant's show.
4 Whirlaround 2014-07-23
Not to mention, he has international subscribers now.
What did they say today on the test run? England, Ireland, Australia, Finland, Norway and Germany.
As much as people want to trash him and say 5 people tops will subscribe, he seemed pretty overwhelmed by the response. Even more so when he glanced over to look at the numbers and how many servers they would need in addition to their original estimate.
If nothing else, look at his body language. That's not a man who has failed.
3 bjornkeizers 2014-07-23
I'll be subscribing from the Netherlands. It's nice to be able to support content we like.
If he's willing and able to bring back a lot of older show elements that they couldn't do on SXM, so much the better.
6 rumpumpumpum 2014-07-23
If he goes with advertisers to make an income then he'll be vulnerable to the same shit he just went through, because an angry mob could threaten to boycott the advertisers. With subscriptions the only way he can lose is if he alienates his subscribers, and that's the way it should be; that's real economic democracy.
0 TheActor_GreggHughes 2014-07-23
He's already a millionaire you dummy.
2 rumpumpumpum 2014-07-23
No shit, Shylock. But what do you expect him to do, pay for all of that gear out of his own pocket? He won't be a millionaire for long doing that.
4 sdpcommander 2014-07-23
No it won't. He might not make the millions he was before, but he'll do very well with just 5-10k subscribers.
Also, it is much easier to start out with a paid subscription and then make it free, or at least a few episodes free. If he starting free and then starting charging, he would likely loose a lot of people.
1 HodorIsMyNigga 2014-07-23
It won't fail, the Ant sycophants will pay enough to keep him going but the show will be irrelevant.
1 KnickedUp 2014-07-23
The real issue is, he's too prideful to ever lower that cost or remove the cost, so it will just end up being a niche show for 4,000 people. Hey, the OnA show is pretty much a niche show for about 10,000 people, so there is nothing wrong with that.
0 [deleted] 2014-07-23
You think that by charging a subscription fee, he will have less overall listeners than if it were free... Yeah, no shit.
How much do you think free podcasts make per listener?
3 DuckSpeaker_ 2014-07-23
Rogan puts out free podcasts multiple times a week, at his own studio, with paying sponsors, and a massive audience.
0 [deleted] 2014-07-23
Cool. How much do you think he makes per month, and how many listeners do you think he has?
-3 mikelp1973 2014-07-23
Since you think you know it will fail, how about quantifying that statement with a model that will succeed? Since as a poster you have the final word it appears.
2 247world 2014-07-23
O&A couldn't sell a $2 extra fee on XM, so a precedent exist
-4 mikelp1973 2014-07-23
I dont fucking care. I paid that. Im paying Anthony. I'm just avoiding these threads from now on I get so pissed at how cheap people fucking are. I paid $60 for Mario Kart 8 today. Spent $399 on a ps4. Pretty sure I can dig up a few bucks for a man I think is funny. I also picked up an older iPod for podcasts cause I'm canceling a radio thats worked for free for 10 years because fuck them. I just give up if 7 dollars a month is so damned high for you all then I give up.
5 247world 2014-07-23
With all that anger and fancy man money I'm sure you'll be co hosting in no time
5 Lasagna_Hat 2014-07-23
Whoa, sounds like you have money
-1 mikelp1973 2014-07-23
I dont really make that much.
1 Motoflou 2014-07-23
So because you can afford to throw money around on entertainment, everyone else should too or else they are cheap, and you just haaaate cheap people. Got it.
Do you realize that you sound like a huge fucking douche?
0 mikelp1973 2014-07-23
Its .23 cents a day. Im willing to bet you spend more than that on something. And furthermore this sub is for fans. Get it?
0 mikelp1973 2014-07-23
Im not going to apologize for having money. I have decided to live a certain way. I love that my sisters and brother have children and are raising them well. It's just not for me. I can't really have a steady woman because I get bored after a maximum of 3 months and just cheat. So why break some girls heart? So instead I have saved money for a long ass time. I'm conservative and I will not be apologizing for that either. It doesn't mean that I can run out and start working for free. So I dont expect Anthony to either. He has another option and that's retire and just quit. What would you rather have? People will make sacrifices for the most ignorant shit. Like I said:fuck it. Done wasting the time and effort to defend the man. Hey maybe you all will bitch piss and moan till you get your wish and he just quits. Everyone did that until the show was broken up and funny how this sub came alive with support. Didn't last long.
1 Motoflou 2014-07-23
Nobody cares. I was just pointing out that you sounded like a douche.
0 mikelp1973 2014-07-23
Only to libtards like you.
0 247world 2014-07-23
Wait a minute, you paid the $2 but your radio worked for free??? Sounds like you paid zero and weren't supporting them at all. I call shenanigans - or less politely you're a liar
-3 mikelp1973 2014-07-23
No the one I have that works free was originally just a Sirius receiver. I had both xm and sirius but I can't remember why. Its the strangest thing I'll go fire up the old bronco and turn the Sirius on and it'll say something.like "channel.list update.press any key to.continue" and I think its over. They've figured it out. But it just keeps working. Does that every few months. I hit a key and all the channels are there. Hell it sat in the basement for a few years before I installed the thing in my old work truck. It just works. And thr beauty of that..I never use it.
1 247world 2014-07-23
My apologies for jumping the gun on that one, I bought a Sirius at Walmart on close out for a friend, when we, turned it on it worked and did so for 3 years. Then one day it didn't
-1 mikelp1973 2014-07-23
No big deal. I had a few too many and ranted. I expect it to quit one day on it's own and I'm not too worried. Got an 160gb iPod im filling with podcasts today for 100 bucks. Can't complain.
-4 247world 2014-07-23
I might add, I had satellite radio before O&A and now looks like I'll have it after
7 sdpcommander 2014-07-23
Why the fuck is this a big deal? 7 bucks for 32 (likely more) hours of content a month, all of which I will most likely consume, sounds like a great deal.
My Netflix costs more than that and I don't spend nearly that many hours on it monthly.
2 snoopkhat 2014-07-23
People are comparing a show Ant will be doing to a Podcast someone like Vos does.I think they will be a little different.
7 [deleted] 2014-07-23
Ants probable logic: He is competing with Sirius and knows that they charge double for their programming. He is charging half and going after Sirius subscribers that only listen to O and A. I mean how many O and A fans are paying for Sirius for their music content? You can get so much free music elsewhere.
I have no idea if it will work out, but I'm excited to see what happens from a financial perspective.
1 gsbird1065 2014-07-23
If he was competing with SiriusXM Talk for the former O&A audience, he wouldn't be doing this Live from the Compound reboot late in the afternoon, 2 hours a day, 4 days a week. He'd be going right up against the morning show Opie, Jim and Sam are hosting.
I don't think it's going to work out. He seems to be putting the bare minimum of effort into it; and I doubt if there are that many former O&A listeners willing to watch him phone it in for 8 hours a week, just in the hope of hearing him say the N word.
2 LizardKingRumsfeld 2014-07-23
'In the hope' haha
6 breadmoccasin 2014-07-23
I don't mind paying it because I hate listening to the radio (AM/FM), because I have enough budgeted (especially after cancelling Sirius) and because I think he's a funny guy. If he shits the bed I'll cancel, easy as that.
4 Slippery_Slope_Guy 2014-07-23
Netflix is 8 dollars a month? Shit, I've been paying 15 for the mail in service included and I've had the same damn copy of the Aviator on my shelf since 2011.
3 [deleted] 2014-07-23
Sirius is $16 / month for 1 device at normal pricing.. AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE VIDEO
12 glassery 2014-07-23
It also has 100+ more channels of content.
3 havingmadfun 2014-07-23
But how many channels do you actually listen to? Directv has tons of channels, doesn't mean I watch all of them.
4 247world 2014-07-23
I listen to about a dozen on a regular basis, when I really bored I visit random channels
There also several music shows I listen to each week and Jim Ladd on Deep Tracks most weeknights
Then again I'm a trucker so I listen more than I think the average subscribers would
1 LizardKingRumsfeld 2014-07-23
What sort of depraved shit is going on in your cab tonight, sir?
1 247world 2014-07-23
Simply re violation of the laws of God and man
0 [deleted] 2014-07-23
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4 glassery 2014-07-23
Around 8 when it's just me but with so many options, I end up listening to others if I'm out with friends or family. I really like the variety of music stations and the overlap in genre's they have.
2 Whirlaround 2014-07-23
100+ channels that I never listened to.
I bought in for Opie & Anthony and after all the YouTube content, etc. etc. I don't mind paying 5.00/month to Anthony. He's been making me laugh way before I ever paid Sirius to do so.
1 andrewsj1 2014-07-23
but nobody cares. That's the point. 99% of O&A fans pay $16 a month for O&A. Less than half (less than 1/3 if you commit to a year) is pretty reasonable.
1 glassery 2014-07-23
And only getting 1/3 of O&A (only Anthony, no Opie or Jimmy) without any of the professional production that surrounds the show.
1 [deleted] 2014-07-23
"professional" "production". Most shows they wing it and the best ones involve a bunch of comedians insulting each other, or in earlier years, doing bits with homeless people and retarded weirdos.
3 [deleted] 2014-07-23
I pay more than that for a London Broil. When i smoked, I paid more per pack.
1 [deleted] 2014-07-23
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3 247world 2014-07-23
What? No idea if you're attempting humor or a nincompoop
2 hoboslayer 2014-07-23
Sirius isn't much more either, and you get more than one show. I hope he is just capitalizing on the initial rush and will reduce prices later.
2 havingmadfun 2014-07-23
Why are you comparing this to netflix?
7 drexler57346 2014-07-23
It's an entertainment option that's around the same price.
2 xantham 2014-07-23
that was the point of it. it has 10's of thousands of hours of content. I don't understand why he's creating subscription fees for this program. you get 100,000k paying $2 a month. he'll have less of what he was making at Sirius. but $7 per month would completely deter me. I would glady pay up to $3.50. I think the price point is too high, hence the post. with this price point I can't estimate anything over 5k of people paying.
1 andrewsj1 2014-07-23
People paid more that twice that for sirius. It's much more comparable since most people only listened to them.
-3 drexler57346 2014-07-23
Please tell me why this would get a thumbs down. It's a neutral, logical answer. The only reason to give it a thumbs down is because you see it as harmful to the side you have chosen in an argument. When you refuse to accept basic facts, it lowers the quality of the discussion. You also make yourself look stupid.
0 DiscoInferiorityComp 2014-07-23
Because they're not comparable at all. Netflix is filled with "dead catalog", shows and movies that no longer sell, thus they can be licensed for dirt cheap. The better comparison would be a brand new VOD movie. $7.99 or so for 90 minutes of content. Ant's operating costs (bandwidth plus even the most minimal of staff) necessitates a monthly fee such as this. I'd argue that he doesn't need to do a video show, but if he is, he needs to charge at least this amount to make a profit. He's not a standup who can use this to drum up live crowds, this is his livelihood. He doesn't need the largest possible audience at this point--advertisers won't touch him.
1 drexler57346 2014-07-23
I don't see it as a reason to give me a thumbs down, though. I was explaining why the original poster would make that comparison. That was the question, and I gave an an answer that the OP agreed with. Thumbs down, at least to me, is like saying "you're wrong". But I was right, that was why he did it.
On to what you are saying, though. I don't think the average person cares about the business side of things for the content provider. They care about the money in their pocket and what they can get for it. What provides the best experience for this money? And Netflix is a valid comparison in that regard. Something the buyer can spend that money on for the same purpose, to be entertained. A competitor for that money.
1 DiscoInferiorityComp 2014-07-23
If you only have $8 for your monthly entertainment, I won't argue that Netflix isn't the way to go. Netflix would also probably be the better value even if Ant's show was only $1 a year. You can watch a huge amount of movies and tv shows. I'm using it to watch an episode of The Dick Van Dyke Show as I write this. It's great. I'm keeping it. That said, the idea here is for Anthony Cumia fans to give Anthony Cumia their money in exchange for Anthony Cumia content. We get to hear him, he doesn't lose his house, everyone wins. He can't do a daily video show of high quality for free, or even for a few dollars a month. His operating costs would shock you. The audience needs to pitch in (for now).
2 _TheConsumer_ 2014-07-23
What don't you understand? It's cheaper than Netflix. It's cheaper than SXM. Should his price point have been higher?
For 64 hrs+ of entertainment per month - The Anthony Cumia Show is a bargain.
3 Alienmonkey 2014-07-23
There are more entertainment hours to view on Netflix per month by what has to be several orders of magnitude.
By that logic Netflix should be priceless.
1 _TheConsumer_ 2014-07-23
Once Anthony develops an archive of shows, you'll have hundreds of hours to choose from. That $7 fee gives you access to all new and old content.
-1 xantham 2014-07-23
though since we already know the show exists we'll comsume that media as it comes. do you like to watch television/news/movies more than one time to justify it?
2 _TheConsumer_ 2014-07-23
Who hasn't watched their favorite TV shows and movies multiple times? I have done the same with O&A replays. I see no reason why I wouldn't with Anthony's new show.
I don't do it to justify the purchase - I do it because I enjoy it.
2 xantham 2014-07-23
at $7/month it's going to be pirated.
4 MonsterRayn 2014-07-23
If he charged $.01 per month, people still claim that was way too much, and that it should be free. They'd still pirate. Pirates will always pirate.
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2 NoremacMartin 2014-07-23
It's 2 hours of LIVE content 4 times per week.
Netflix is just a bunch of dumb movies.
It's Apples and Oranges.
Homerun Cumia!
1 rtosser 2014-07-23
I guess I view it differently. The supply of Anthony is limited, so it's not a generic commodity like "streaming service". There are a few streaming movie services, but only a limited supply of Anthony.
I understand the argument that charging anything at this point is a risk, but if I had to bet I'd say he's counting on a core group of people to make his nut every month with subscriptions and will earn other income over time from additional sources. Having a show with any revenue at all sets him apart from the million other people who simply podcast. It gives him an aura of success that he can perhaps capitalize upon.
2 WhipCityUrchin 2014-07-23
So in order to sustain our future, we have to control supply and demand of Anthony and look to more renewable sources of comedy? That's some lefty lib'rul commie shit there.
1 TimTim3000 2014-07-23
Netflix doesn't stream live events. Maybe something like mlbtv would be more comparable?
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1 Whirlaround 2014-07-23
Let me just add this...
I will happily pay 5.00/month (my year sub) in order to NOT listen to incessant Howard Stern Birthday commercials and constant SiriusXM emails asking me for my favorites - but not allowing me to select Opie & Anthony. Not to mention the one time I complained about this, they wrote me back and told me that O&A were left off because they were a Premium channel. Hello? Hoo Hoo?
In closing, I watched the test run today. Anthony made me laugh at stupid stuff, like making fun of Al Pacino. I know I will enjoy his show. So I'm happy to fork over the cash to keep him doing what he's doing.
1 devilsadvocate33 2014-07-23
http://goo.gl/YGXDLJ
1 NoremacMartin 2014-07-23
The main reason I'm subscribing is because this is a huge moment in O&A history and I don't want to miss it. I'm a new listener started listening in 2012 and I wish I was listening live for so many epic moments. I don't want to miss something.
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Don't like it? Don't subscribe, pretty simple. My only real gripe is I wish there was a smaller price point for fans who only want the audio element of the show.
0 gsbird1065 2014-07-23
If the actual show is going to be anything like that test today (and I mean anything like it), then that's an enormous amount of money.
4 mikelp1973 2014-07-23
Its .23 cents per day. Seriously what do you think it should be? My god I would love to see one single positive word from you. I stand by what I said before. You complain so much I dont get it. We all complain but not once have I read a positive thing about Anthony in this sub since the split. Get a job, make some cash and stop whining. You know what? Fuck it. Defending anyone on this radio show is a waste of time. Because no one who is happy jumps online to crow about it. Its just a bunch of whiney bitches. Fuck im sick of it. Its no wonder Opie shits on us as "fans". He's right about this one thing.
3 _TheConsumer_ 2014-07-23
"The way I see it, Anthony should be paying ME to listen to his (insert drinking and racism comment here).
Did anyone think that maybe, just maybe, the $7 is a proper price point to keep tons of dedicated fans and keep out a ton of the BS?
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1 drexler57346 2014-07-23
That's an interesting idea. I don't know if it's true, but what if the purpose of the entry fee is also to serve as a barrier to non-fans who could cause problems for a potentially controversial show?
2 gsbird1065 2014-07-23
a) I'm not complaining. I'm saying outright that I will never pay $6.95 a month for something as shoddy as this; and I can afford to do so a few times over.
b) I think Ant is an extremely funny guy, within the structure of the O&A show (something that no longer exists, and will never exist again). But every time I've seen him work on his own it's been nothing but a chore. It's the one thing he shares with Opie: He's way too content to phone it in, given the opportunity; an incredibly lazy performer who coasts by on endlessly repeated movie quotes and the marginal edginess of thinly-veiled racist humor. He needs something that can kick his lethargic, perpetually hung-over brain into gear; and I see nothing being proposed for this show which will do that.
c) You're actually criticizing someone on the Opie & Anthony subreddit for being negative??
0 just_plain_yogurt 2014-07-23
Is this the reddit math at work? Less than 1/4 of a cent per day? Shit, everyone will sign up at that price point!
0 mikelp1973 2014-07-23
Well I'm good at it because it's similar to beer math. Luckily today I found out my favorite stout has been moved from the craft section to the "almost craft" section next to yuengling. Not sure why it's black mocha stout definitely a lot stronger than anything around it. However at also came with a new price point of $6.29. That's $1.70 less and I couldn't be happier. Yeah I probably drank to much again and I'll regret some of what I said tomorrow. But I'll worry about it then.
1 just_plain_yogurt 2014-07-23
Ahhh. I guess my local brew pub uses the same math. They advertise ".50 cent wings every Tuesday!" as one of their specials. They CHARGE $0.50 per wing.
0 BumbiBestie 2014-07-23
Like Netflix, but for only one show you've never seen. Sign me up!
0 MonsterRayn 2014-07-23
When Netflix starts having podcasts on its service, then we can start making the comparison. As it is, they're way too different for any comparison to have any validity.
2 xantham 2014-07-23
every other relevant postcast is free though.. type the name of the podcast in google and download as well as all the previous episodes.
1 MonsterRayn 2014-07-23
And the only ones that are any good are from people who currently have some sort of other income, plus advertising. Anthony will be lucky to get advertisers other than Steven Singer. He has no other employment. So the subscription option makes a lot of sense.
-1 majestik6 2014-07-23
Netflix has millions of subscribers
Anthony Cumia will be lucky to get a thousand
Does that explain it?
3 _TheConsumer_ 2014-07-23
You're right. Netflix had millions of subscribers when it first started. That didn't take a decade to achieve. Silly us.
-4 xantham 2014-07-23
$8 x 40,00,000 / month = 3.8 billion / year
celebrity net worth states that anthony makes 3 million a year. of which opie had snickered at that so I'm sure it's about 4.5 or so.
if he were to charge $3.50 / month (a more reasonable figure(of which I would pay for at that price)) with over a 2 year span to accrue maybe 150k subs. his show would make 6.3mil per year.
he has to promote the shit out of this thing and have people on board for him to make any money.
3 majestik6 2014-07-23
A hundred and fifty thousand paying subscribers? OMG that's hilarious. This subreddit has 8,622 subs and it's free. If you think that 150,000 people will pay for Cumia's podcast you're delusional.
Ant has the right idea; charge around $10, sign up a couple thousand subs and try to make a career out of this. Lowering the price won't change anything, except make him less money
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-3 mikelp1973 2014-07-23
Fuck off cheapskate fuck.
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Just steal it
3 johnhuber01 2014-07-23
$6.95 is a steal if this is going directly towards funding booze-laden shows, 55 gallon drum challenges, and general tom-foolery.
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Sweet. 60 year old men drinking and telling racist jokes
1 rumpumpumpum 2014-07-23
I know you've already signed up because if you don't you'll have nothing left to snipe about.
7 drexler57346 2014-07-23
It's an entertainment option that's around the same price.
1 _TheConsumer_ 2014-07-23
Once Anthony develops an archive of shows, you'll have hundreds of hours to choose from. That $7 fee gives you access to all new and old content.
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1 drexler57346 2014-07-23
I don't see it as a reason to give me a thumbs down, though. I was explaining why the original poster would make that comparison. That was the question, and I gave an an answer that the OP agreed with. Thumbs down, at least to me, is like saying "you're wrong". But I was right, that was why he did it.
On to what you are saying, though. I don't think the average person cares about the business side of things for the content provider. They care about the money in their pocket and what they can get for it. What provides the best experience for this money? And Netflix is a valid comparison in that regard. Something the buyer can spend that money on for the same purpose, to be entertained. A competitor for that money.
0 TheActor_GreggHughes 2014-07-23
He's already a millionaire you dummy.
1 LizardKingRumsfeld 2014-07-23
What sort of depraved shit is going on in your cab tonight, sir?
1 Motoflou 2014-07-23
Nobody cares. I was just pointing out that you sounded like a douche.