Devil's Advocate: What if Ant's show sucks and bombs?

27  2014-07-19 by VeritablyClean

I'm about 60/40 optimism/pessimism right now

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I heard one of my favorite jokes of all time on Jackie's Joke Hunt: What does Iron Man's suit and Sarah Palin have in common? They've both had Downey Jrs inside them.

Fuck that's good

Fawk yeah, tsss. tss

Howard invented spin-off shows.

lol

Yeah but Ant can actually talk bad about hoohoo and will get paid more than $100/week.

a whooping 400 bucks a month, are you bobo

Hahaha, oh my, that's rich

That's what H101 pays their "talent". If you are really unlucky, they just give you plugs.

I don't think it's going to work at all. It's in the evening, by himself, out in Long Island, and people have to pay for it. I' want him to succeed but not so much that he doesn't come back after October.

I really hate how he's doing it in the evening. He's just doing that so he doesn't have to wake up early.

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Dont think i so much want him to come back in October, but rather, all the boys ditch sxm and Do an O&A podcast from Manhattan. I have Have a feeling this will happen but only be like 3 days a week with the boys doing their own thing the other days.

ITS NOT BY HIMSELF. YOU FORGOT BROTHER JOE

(i hope ant has enough saved up to keep his nouveau riche lifestyle going.)

come back in October.

i dont think those sirius corporate jews would have ant back because of his hitler worship. opie can just bring other funny person (maybe not ant level funny) to fill up time.

lil yimmy can remember the good times when he could riff with another comedy genius, as well as listen to race related rants that would make bobby fischer blush

I am highly worried about the hangers-on, too much of that and it will be a disaster.

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Well, it could be like that.

OTOH, it could also turn out that the class clown is a better teacher than the "teacher".

sheddep

Fuck off, moron.

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He knows what makes good radio, Im sure the first couple of shows will be bitter fuck you's to the media and Sirius but im sure he'll even out

Oh yeah, he's a stable, respectable guy.

I'll listen, but I won't pay. Sorry if that makes the people that do pay better fans than me. But Anthony has made it clear over the years i've been listener that he is rich, i'm sure I need my $6 more than he does.

I predict that, unless Opie and Lil' Yimmy come along, Ant is gonna be bankrupt in 5 years. He's a tremendously talented and funny guy, but he's something of a man-child; he's not a responsible dude. When he was on the SiriusXM payroll, all he had to do was show up and be funny for four hours and people threw enough money at him to keep his lifestyle going. Running your own enterprise is something else entirely; it takes business sense and responsibility and hard work.

I think he's already making a misstep with his pricing structure, which is much too high. I guess Brother Joe is going to be a big part of the operation, presumably because he's Ant's brother and Ant likes him. That's not a good reason. Ant needs to be involving "suits"; those pukey serious businesspeople that he hated at SiriusXM because they were wet blankets creatively. Those are the people that are good at monetizing creativity, wet blankets though they may be. He needs marketing people that can write a competent press release and get the word out through effective channels. He needs talented production folks. He needs lawyers.

He can't just be funny anymore. He needs to get a team together and run a business. I don't think he has the chops or the inclination to do that. I hope I'm wrong.

Jews??

it's 5$/month if you sub for the whole year.

Sure. But almost every other "podcast" format show is free. Jay Mohr, Bill Burr, Joe Rogan, Bill Simmons, Marc Maron -- shit, even Dan Savage, and that's just to name a few.

And let's be honest: Ant's shows are going to show up on YouTube and various other streaming video sites. Lots of people are going to consume the show through those media; think about how many people listened to O&A exclusively through YouTube (I did, and still do). There's a robust discussion to be had about the morality of doing that, but the hard truth is that lots of people will "steal" when nobody's watching and there's practically no chance of being caught or punished. Why commit to paying $5 per month for a year when you can get the content for free? That's money that slips through Ant's fingers because a he's operating a subscription service. On the other hand, if you're running an ad-based service, then hey! From the sponsors' perspective, any listener is a good listener. If a million people are listening to the show through YouTube as opposed to anthonycumia.com, well, that's a selling point when you're negotiating with advertisers ("look at all the people that listen to my show!!"); it ain't a detriment.

A "cheap" price looks expensive when most comparable products are free and the very same product is available for free if you're willing to be a scumbag in private.

I'm very hopeful for an exciting new kind of show. My only fear is if it's all about hangers-on like his female twitter followers, Brother Joe and KTC sitting poolside looking at their cell phones.

Who is KTC exactly?

Probably Keith the Cop but maybe Krusty the Clown.

kid touching creep?

DeRosa's other tattoo

Keith the Cuck

Keith the Cop. Formerly a NYC cop and became Ant's security guard and personal assistant. Now he's the "Producer" of the Anthony Cumia Show. I believe his wife is "Ange" that Ant mentioned on the show from time to time that does a lot of the work around the Compound.

Keith the Cop

keith the cop

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anyone that thinks he hit a HR every show right out the gate is fooling themselves. it's gonna take a bunch of ups and downs till he figures out his voice and the voice of the show he wants to put out. if it's ant pre 2008 it'll be huge, if it isnt.....

You know what dude

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I think someone who's been talking for a living for 20 years found his voice a long time ago, plus, Live from the compound was surprisingly good

Live from the compound was surprisingly good

You really think so? Every time I tried to watch it was rudderless.

I don't think they need Paul Rudd at this point.

Something for the non runaway white trash chicks to look at.

I signed up for a 6 month sub. I am a bit worried about the same old rants - and I actually agree with Anthony on guns, race issues, politics (mostly), but it gets stale. I think he is smart enough to know that while this will definitely be a part of the show, it won't be a racial tirade every moment.

Like when O&A had boring celebrities, cooks, or athletes as guests, I would just tune out. I don't have to love every minute of the show, but I still get a lot of enjoyment from it as a whole. So I'm not too worried.

I agree with everything said here and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

I predict the show going down the same route as the Joe Rogan Podcast. At first it'll feel fun and fresh, but then quickly the show will quickly become repetitive with gun and race rants (as opposed to Rogan''s overbearing mushroom philosophy).

I hope not (Ant doesn't have Rogan's stand-up and UFC income; this is it for him), but I have a feeling the proposed content and the intended audience are just too narrow to make this anything more than a modest success in the podcasting racket.

He shouldn't marginalize himself this way.

I think he's gonna have a hard time getting in-studio guests, not a lotta celebs and comics willing to drive all the way down to Long Island. Not sure how to fix that

He lives near the LIE and it's only about a 40 minute drive. Since it's a subscription service, he can have a budget for sending town cars. He could also just have some of the "hanger-ons" work as drivers.

Also, he could film "remote" interviews in the city, and then throw to them during the live show.

HAHAHAHAHA

All great points, but then again any important celebrity isn't gonna want a two hour stuck in traffic car type ride round trip from Manhattan to the compound, especially when Jim and Opie would be glad to have them on satellite with 5 others radio and tv talk shows a stones throw away

The summer months are a great time to get celeb guests. Shitloads of celebs vacation in the Hamptons, including hoo-hoo and his laughbox.

Ant lives no where near the hamptons.

Ant lives on Long Island. It isn't that fucking big. Southampton is 42 miles from Ant's house. About an hour's drive. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Yeah that's what celebrities want to do while they're on vacation be on a podcast.

I have no idea what celebrities want to do when they're on vacation. Nor do you.

Fuck off.

I have a pretty good idea based upon on the word vacation you dumb fuck. Name one celebrity that wants to do press on vacation. None. It's why it's called vacation. Doing press is there job. Do you do your job while on vacation? Yeah I didn't think so. Idiot.

Do you do your job while on vacation?

Sometimes, though not for my employer.

Also, learn how to spell the word "their" before you call someone else a "dumb fuck" and an "idiot."

edit:formatting

I don't care about spelling you're still the dope that thinks celebrities are going to come in from vacationing and do a podcast. Not ever going to happen.

alrighty, Mr. Ventura.

Roslyn heights & the Hamptons are still hours of traffic jammed insanity apart from one another. I can probably get to Ants home from Manhattan faster than going from the Hamptons to Roslyn heights.

Thank god. We have enough Nassau and western suffolk trash out here vacationing already.

Hoo Hoo Robin

O&A's success really comes from shooting the shit with ball-breaking comics.

Anthony by himself, I don't think is going to make a very funny show, it's just not possible without dialogue with funny guys like Louis CK, Bill Burr, Jim Norton, Jim Florentine, Dan Soder or at the very least with his partner Opie.

And if Anthony kind of goes unleashed with this racial stuff, without being made fun or argued with by co-hosts, he'll only attract the Storm-Front crowd, and put off everyone else because he's no longer a foil to someone on the other side (Bill Burr, Louis CK, Patrice) on racial matters.

how can it possibly suck when he's announced his first guest will be Master Po...

or not

To be successful he has to grow the audience beyond the O&A core group of disgruntled fans. I don't see that happening with a subscription based show with no celebrities.

If you had a career, or a promise of a future career, would you appear on a show in a basement of a guy who was publicly fired for "racism"? Schinkle bout it.

Anthony has always had more contempt for the listeners than Opie or Jim. When Opie's out - ant almost never went to the phones. Now he needs them ... and he's asking them to pay up for the privilege to listen to him. Interesting dynamic.

To be fair, the callers on Sirius fucking blow.

For some reason you're confusing callers with fans of the show, as if they're the same.

The smart silent majority out there want to listen to Ant & Jim be fast and funny, and they sit there quietly as it happens. The arseholes think they've got something to contribute and call the show. If they're fucking dumb enough to think they can improve what Ant&Jim said, then they're too fucking dumb to be allowed on air. Hence, Opie sucks.

I'm nervous as well...it's tough doing a solo radio show. But it's Ant so it'll have laughs, but it could get stale if he doesn't have guests or comedians on.

He's going to have to have a co host or at least guest co host daily. If it's just him and tail riders it probably won't go well. Just off the top of my head some people that aren't out of the realm of possibility that could help co host that I'd like to see: Ari Shaffir, Bailey Jay, Sherrod Small, Andy Levy, Big Jay, etc. Hopefully he mixes it up like O&J have and this doesn't turn into LFTC renamed, that would be very bad. That being said... I'm subbed, I'm getting a month and hoping for the best.

but how many of those people are going to drive out to long island?

I think all of those I listed would, that's why I included 'not out of the realm of possibility'. Going and doing a quality show with a good host is good exposure to a different audience than a Andy Levy or the rest would reach. Plus, Ant is friends, or at least friendly with all of them and they would do it for fun, or as a favor, either way I think he can pull in some folks... It's not like I'm saying Louis CK and Bill Burr are cruising to LI. Hell, maybe Ant will Ralphie May over, he would do it. Jay Mohr, Ronny B, etc. would do it. I think you're underestimating Ant's ability to make quality friends and connections. This is all up to him though, he can't expect people to just show up

But why would they co-host? Is he going to give them a cut of his profits? That just further reduces the viability of his podcast as a replacement for his Sirius money.

well, he's in for a year.

If it does bomb and subscribers do drop off, he will still have to do the show for all the "yearly" subscribers who are still hanging in there.

Or refund them. Or just disappear with the money, depending on the wording of the agreement no one reads.

He's been on radio for years, he's smart and hilarious, the product itself won't suck I'm pretty sure. The only problem I foresee is the fact that it's costing money right out of the gate. That will exclude a decent chunk of casual listeners and if he's getting small audiences he might lose interest himself.

I'll give it a month or two before I decide to cancel/continue. I trust that Ant has enough shit on the back burner that he wasn't able to talk about on the show to at least get him off the ground. Two months worth of this is still less than I paid for SXM per month, so I don't see much of a downside at this point.

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You write like a fucking serial killer.

Hello Danny

I'm about 60/40 optimism/pessimism right now

I wish I was that optimistic. I've tried watching LFTC many times and was never able to hang in there for more than a few minutes.

I will absolutely check out his new show and wish the Moor all the best, but without him having someone steering the ship I could see this being pretty uncompelling radio. Pre-firing Opester was trying too hard to be important (and deserved the shit he received here,) but someone acting like post-firing Opie (great) helping to move the Ant show in the right direction could make for fantastic show.

I think he needs someone else steering the show. Obviously it's the Anthony Cumia Show, but if he just goes on about guns and black people for hours, completely unchallenged and with no one to get things back on track the way Opie did, it's going to fizzle. At the very least he needs someone else controlling the board and taking care of the visual stuff, because that distracts him from being entertaining way too often on LFTC.

That said, he seems to be taking this way more seriously than LFTC so far, which is great. That was fun to check out from time to time, but it's not something that would hold my attention for two hours a day, and it's not something I'd pay for. I want to listen to an actual show, not him rambling while 5 guys are standing around him drinking beer and laughing amongst each other. It needs to be structured and he needs to know when to put a leash on certain things.

Good call with Jackies Joke Hunt

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Thanks bud. You too.

I will try and see.

I hate the idea of them apart, and do not agree with how Ant is going about this.

The Paywall is going to kill him, he needs something on I-tunes/whatever android app you use.

Start with that, add sponsors, talk to friends like Rogan, Florentine, Vos, , etc and ask for an in with those sponsors, free audio, paid video/live chat room, custom icon/emotes.

Hell they manage to that on twitch and make many moneys, why is is so hard here?

Oh because Keith the Cuck and boring Joe are his main advisors.

This is one of the rare cases he should listen to the fans.

if it does then Ant will realize he needs Opie and Jimmy and they work something out.

I think it might be better for the fans if it doesn't work out. That might push Anthony toward getting back with the Gregg and James.

If it takes off and works too well, I don't see him wanting to change it up bringing them on. However as Opie said, maybe Anthony does his thing, he does his thing, and they have a shared third thing.

It's impossible to know until it starts (and probably at least a week goes by as I'm sure the first shows will be a lot of tinkering with buttons).

I doubt it'll just be LFTC though. That was just him at home drunk and bored. Now that this is his only outlet hopefully it'll be a legit show (although still him being drunk). The earlier and scheduled time slot should help and the fact people are paying for it will hopefully mean he'll put on a good show.

They NEED to have free content. The reason I paid for O&A is because I heard so much of the show already and thought it was worth paying for.

It's such uncharted territory right now.

Veritably Clean: What am I, Nostradamus over here?

tss whatcha name phil losipher or somethin tss

I imagine Anthony having a large fan base of white conservative heterosexual men. I would guess that group has a higher likelihood to actually subscribe and not pirate. From what I've seen the expressed comments here are skewed the other way, but that doesn't make up a large portion of the shows listeners.

I signed up for 6 months with AC.com. Not sure what to expect but giving Ant the benefit of the doubt. At least my money won't be going to those shitheads at Sirius.

I don't really care, I'm starting to move on from O&A. They had a good run but this seperation marked the end. I'll give the Anthony show a month but if it bombs, I got plenty other stuff to listen to. One thing for sure, I'm not going back to O&J. Even if the show is any good, I'm through supporting SiriusXM and listening to free online streams of their content. It's not worth it, the company showed no spine in cutting Anthony, they never respect Opie or Jimmy or their staff at all. They're despicable and I will never give them a dime of my money.

you would think the first few shows would be big,with guests etc. I hope he doesn't try and play a "character" like most other dickheads do when they get in front of a camera.

Hopefully no terrible songs. They're so fucking hacky. Like your uncle downloaded an auto tune app and shows everybody at thanksgiving how current he is. " I'm the one that's lame now, I'm the one that's lame." Bowling to behave? Come on Ant you're fucking better then that man.

That's the one upside to him not being there any longer.

Just to be fair, those songs were put together by a fan by cutting up clips of the show. They became so popular with other fans that they sang them live a few times. That said, those songs are good for a once or twice a year listen.

The man was forcibly separated from a show that has his name in the title a mere two weeks ago. Ant is doing the best he can considering the circumstances. Right now he probably feels that he can only trust his friends so these are the people he needs to start this. So give him like 1/100th of a break.

He may trust his friends to produce radio gold (even though every single second they've been on LFTC has been dismal).

Doesn't mean we have to.

Well since everyone on here thinks that, wouldn't it be devil's advocate to say what If it's good and OnJ fall of the face of the earth?

OnJ still has comedic connections

Jesus Christ some people keep crying going on about $6- per month, i am Dutch, we invented being cheap, and even i find this ridiculous, but i guess you fat fucks need you Burger Kings right? :-))

$6 won't even buy you a beer at sporting event here.

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well said

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Do a little day drinking?

Yes apologies.

Um. Then it does. Why Ant wouldn't adjust to make what he considers an entertaining show is beyond me. It might be horrible right of the bat.

Ant's show will be great. What Im more worried about is everyone buying one year subs to his stuff when Im about 98% sure Ant will be back on O&A before 2014 is over.

(Downvoted..why?)

The O&A show is over, Johnny

Yeah. We'll see.

so what, at least he tried, then I just don't listen to any O&A, listening to O&J is supporting that shit company so until they move on I want no part of it.

hangers-on, why do people keep saying that with 2 month old accounts?

anthony & opie are OK. it's little jimmy i'm worried about. how will he justify his apartment and ... habits.

By re-signing with SiriusXM in October and continuing to do the show with Opie.

More people are always going to be listening to that than will ever listen to the LFTC-redux Ant is actually promising.

Anthony was the best part of o&a. Jimmy is hilarious, but works best with anthony, not opie. Opie is the mom of the bunch, keeps things going, but is zero fun alone. Why say that here? Anthony is entertaining. Every LFTC, even when politically driven (fuck foxnews) were super entertaining. GIVE IT A CHANCE. BE SUPPORTIVE. anthony is and always will be my favorite part of that trio and I WANT him to succeed. You should too, naysayers.

Oh yeah, he's a stable, respectable guy.