If you smoked for thirty years you could still die from lung cancer. Hopefully.

And you could get plowed into a snow bank as you're crossing the street next winter, your body going undiscovered until stray dogs are spotted gnawing on your shriveled bluish-gray foot the following spring.

Also quit over a year ago with e-cigs, leave it to the O&A audience to be worse than any other

OP is also right about it being in asthma inhalers, and it's in a lot of processed foods.

If you're really worried about PG, you can get e-juice that uses distilled water that is purely H2O + flavor

Also, I really don't know how it could be worse than cigarettes.

I'm thinking about taking up smoking. Should I try electronic or regular cigarettes? I've also considered gum and patches because I don't crave nicotine yet.

Who thinks about taking up smoking? You just end up doing it. It's not really a good thing.

Unless I missed your sarcasm. In that case, shoot me with AIDS.

EDIT: I get it, I have AIDS. Jesus.

Oh literal francis_goatman!

Ecigs are great. Got me to quit. Combine an ecig with colin Quinns mantra of "the urge to smoke will pass whether you smoke or not"

The misinformation on ecigs is actually pretty tragic. But I got what I needed already. So fuck everyone else I guess. I wont explain to retards no mo. Especially if you are still smokin cigs and warning of the dangers of pg. Fucking idiots.

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Also Colin Quinn's other mantra of "keeping it PG."

General rule is most callers are idiots.. on certain occasions you get the doctors or other people that can read but that's very rare

Ecigs are definitely amazing for quitting smoking, it is how I did it.

Congrats on quitting. Recommend a good vaporizer?

I use a mech mod and a Kayfun, which is kind of advanced. For a beginner, an Ego battery and an Evod atomizer. 101vapes has starter kits that work fine.

I wouldnt waste time with an Evod. Its good for learning the parts and all that but I moved to an MVP 2.0 within a few weeks and never even touch the evod.

Thanks brother. There's too many out there now and had no idea what's actually the best way to go.

It's absolutely vital that you get some sort of back up. If you have the money, get two ego's. Or I guess an ego and a gas station cigalike. For a cigalike, I didn't hate eonsmoke.

Or for that matter, just start with an iTaste mvp 2 and an ego as backup.

You'll want something while your main is charging. Moreover, a tank will break, a wick will clog, and replacement takes a few days to arrive. Without a backup handy you'll probably be buying a pack of smokes.

Link?

Get this one:

http://101vape.com/variable-voltagewattage-devices/148-innokin-itaste-mvp-v20.html

and then get either http://101vape.com/clearomizers-glassomizers/270-aspire-nautilus.html

or

http://101vape.com/clearomizers-glassomizers/249-kanger-aerotank.html

Dont forget to get extra coil heads. You'll also need some e-juice. Popular vendors are The Vapor Chef, Coval Vapes, Bombies, Mount Baker Vapor, Good Life Vapors... the list can go on and on.

If you're serious about it, /r/electronic_cigarette has a fuckload of info you can search through. Let me know if you need more info, I have an MVP and started with an EVOD. I've done quite a bit of reading into more advanced hardware too but I wouldn't recommend it until you're comfortable with understanding these devices.

Thank you for your service.

Website called fasttech has the itaste for cheap, but shipping takes forever.

And the other ones? Faster shipping?

Yeah, the itaste is really common, Fasttech just has it for cheap. If you want something a little more idiot proof, I recommend halo and v2 e cigs.

Get an iTaste MVP 2.0. Look for a good tank - Kanger pro tank III, Aerotank, or Aspire nautilus are popular, but if you want to get hands on and rebuild your own coils instead of buying new ones, get a Rebuildable Atomizer (shortened to RBA) Note that these give you better flavor and sometimes vapor. Kayfun Clone by Ehpro is a good RBA. Get some good juice that you like at a nic level that satisfies you, most smokers making the jump go for 18mg and then reduce after a while to 12 or 6 and eventually 0 if that is your goal. Head over to /r/electronic_cigarette for more info.

You generally want to reduce your nicotine levels when you get into rebuildables - I can vape 24mg all day on a carto tank or Kanger tank, but with a KayFun, I have to use 12, and dripping, 6 is usually what I end up with - some flavors i can do 12 dripping, but not many.

The better the gear, the less nicotine you need in the juice.

Ugh so many cunts in this thread. From the know nothing idiots chiming in with shit they heard second hand, to the types of people who are just mad smokers figured out a work around to laws and taxes.. Congrats on quitting op. I've been vaping since dec 1. I got my lung capacity back and my teeth got whiter and I don't smell or have to run outside a million times. Plus this is cheaper and tastes better.

tl;dr THAT CALLER WAS FULL OF SHIT, MAAAAN

plus dabs.

Have you guys ever bought that H20 e cig oil from gas stations? That stuff is a little sketchy because it's made in China and it doesn't have an ingredient list. I even went online to find the ingredients but there's no information. I might have to stop buying that shit unless anyone knows what's in it. I prefer vegetable glycerin just because it has the word vegetable in it.

Yeah, but that's like comparing a gas station burrito to a Chipotle burrito.

Yeah, I wouldn't go near the gas station juices. Why not order from one of the hundreds of online vendors? There's plenty of guides to vendors (and most have a reddit coupon code) on /r/electronic_cigarette.

Or, see if there's a brick & mortar vape shop in your town and go buy from them. You're going to get much better quality from a place where the product is their sole business than you would from whatever crap the gas station ordered and put on the counter.

Why not order from one of the hundreds of online vendors?

I don't mean to be snide or anything, but the reason for me is that there are hundreds of online vendors. Just the other day I decided to try quitting again, and right now I'm chewing the nicotine gum. I'd like to try an e-cig but the number of choices and the jargon makes choosing one pretty tough.

Nah, not snide. I get what you're saying. When there's too many choices, it's sometimes easier to choose nothing.

The first time I ordered from an online juice vendor, I think I went to the vendor page on /r/ecr and found the one with the best discount code, then searched for some reviews of them. Most times I try a new vendor, I order their sampler set, and pick a few flavors I think I'd enjoy. It's helped me come up with a pretty good selection of vendors and what juices I like from each of them.

It's a pretty helpful subreddit and there's always tons of reviews, so go there and ask for some opinions. Hell, ask me for my opinions if you want it. I was a 1-2 pack a day smoker for over 30 years, tried quitting with patches, gum, and prescription meds, but nothing ever worked. I bought an e-cig kit last March, and haven't had a regular cigarette since.

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Watch the ghost of Bob Levy ramble about those things: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwbxvke4bCA

(I could only stand about a minute of it. The terrible lighting makes it at least a bit entertaining).

This segment hit close to home for OP

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cool.

It's still a vasoconstrictor. There's no reason to do that to your body if you don't have to.

So is caffeine and some people even jump out of planes¯\ (ツ)/¯

You sound like a bunch of fun.

Do they?

PG made my lip really dry and after like 2 weeks of constant vaping(i didn't notice the dryness), a blister appeared on my lip that looked like fucking herpes. I swear it wasn't herpes, but I was too goddamn embarrassed to leave the house and confront anyone because everyone would think it was fucking herpes!

e-cigs makes ppl think u have herpes.

If they're really a smoking cessation aid, then they need to be evaluated by the FDA as such so it can be proven and they can be endorsed accordingly.

If they are NOT, then they need to be taxed and regulated like cigarettes are, otherwise they're just cigarettes that aren't being taxed.

Also, nicotine is a drug, and it can kill you. The nicotine liquid in these is not regulated or inspected by anyone, definitely not the FDA. Considering even cereal is inspected by the FDA, this stuff should be too.

The FDA does regulate the individual components. Once you add nicotine to the mix the FDA can no longer regulate it. The Gov will start to tax it as a cigarette. Sucks for the people trying to find a viable option to smoking.

Why can't they regulate nicotine? I don't know anything about e-cigarettes specifically, just about how food and drug regulation works in the states.

I think they should certainly be legal, but if they're just cigarettes without the actual tobacco or tar then they need to be taxed just like cigarettes are. Them's the breaks.

Cereal is inspected by the FDA because of rodents and other critters that make their way into farm fields and factories. You realize that a certain amount of rodent poop is considered ACCEPTABLE by the FDA?

nicotine is a drug, and it can kill you.

That's great. Water is NOT a drug. It can kill you if you ingest it in large quantities in a short time. It can also kill you if you inhale it in large quantities.

Your argument is lame. I don't necessarily disagree w/ your viewpoint, but you need to learn how to better present your position. Also learn how lax American laws are regarding chemicals in our food, cookware & other consumer products.

I'm not arguing anything really. I'm more perplexed at people thinking e-cigarettes should be immune from existing standards and practices that are in place for pretty much all food and drugs in the USA.

I'm well aware of the standards for cereal and that's why I used it as an example of how ubiquitous the FDA is for things that are consumed but not inherently dangerous. Even though they do have an allowance for bug parts and rat dropping, you do also understand that the factories have to be inspected to make sure they're not dirty or unsanitary or dangerous. And that if they weren't inspected, they would be unsanitary and dangerous. And this is for something banal and harmless like cereal.

All DRUGS meaning pills, medicine, whatever are inspected by the FDA, made in factories that are inspected by the FDA etc. There are drug recalls all the time. There was a huge recall because Tylenol was being made in dirty factories. Tylenol, a popular product being made by a multi-billion dollar corporation.

If you take enough pure nicotine, you will have a heart attack and die. What's to prevent one of these Chinese e cig juice makers from mislabeling a bottle? Or from putting literally anything in it? Why would liquid nicotine or the factories it's being made in be immune from that kind of inspection? Why would anyone think it's a good idea to sell it completely unregulated and uninspected? That's my question/concern.

American laws about chemicals are certainly lax, but with zero regulation or inspection it is much much worse. We're talking "The Jungle" where they were dropping meat on floors covered in sawdust and not cleaning it, etc. Considering e-cigs are extremely profitable and currently being used as a way to avoid paying taxes while smoking, they are ripe for abuse and mishandling and cutting corners by the manufacturers, which is extremely dangerous for the consumer.

All DRUGS meaning pills, medicine, whatever are inspected by the FDA, made in factories that are inspected by the FDA etc. There are drug recalls all the time. There was a huge recall because Tylenol was being made in dirty factories. Tylenol, a popular product being made by a multi-billion dollar corporation

Tylenol was recalled in the '80s because some crazy bitch poisoned a bunch of Tylenol Capsules.

There are drug recalls all the time.

So, the FDA does a great job, doesn't it?

I'm not arguing for zero regulation. That's stupid in my opinion.

However, e-cigs are not tobacco products and should not be taxed as tobacco.

What's to prevent one of these Chinese e cig juice makers from mislabeling a bottle? Or from putting literally anything in it? Why would liquid nicotine or the factories it's being made in be immune from that kind of inspection? Why would anyone think it's a good idea to sell it completely unregulated and uninspected? That's my question/concern.

I agree with you on all of the above points. However, I'd like to point out that hundreds of imported products of all types (typically from Asia, China specifically) contain toxic chemicals & most are never inspected by anyone. Occasionally CPSC will issue a warning about crayons or finger paints that contain LEAD or some other toxic compound, but that's the exception rather than the rule.

Well done for giving up cigarettes, but if you're still sucking on a pipe to get a fix of nicotine you're still an addict. So come back and tell us they work when you're nicotine free.

I will, just to piss you off. I've cut my nicotine levels in half already, I should be done within the year.

Think he's doing a pseudo Jimmy-troll thing.

Within the year? Are you even really trying if you are dragging it out that long?

I will, just to piss you off.

I will be genuinely happy for you, but as someone else said, after 30 years of smoking you'll probably still get cancer. So....in true O&A style....

Damn, girl, you salty.

Nicotine is as harmful as caffeine, and also has a lot of similar benefits. By itself in moderate dosages, nicotine has more benefits than detriments

Legit question, are you a chemist or just going off of research?

Do you have to be a chemist to google this shit?

what would be the difference if he was a chemist or was reciting research done by chemists?

Simple: research can have bias based upon whoever is funding the study. Example being cigarette research in the 50's and 60's. If he is a chemist, he may have an unbiased opinion based solely on facts.

OP is full of shit.

Food grade...so a little less than in a refrigerator. People need to understand that these chemical companies are selling in bulk and poisoning people is just an afterthought for them. Remember the Subway yoga mat fiasco? Why do you think they put that chemical in at all? Because a chemical company lobbied them and got them to contract the chemical company for their entire supply of bread.

Pesticides, any packaged food, and e cigs now.All giving people cancer and shit for profit.

But the private sector will do the right thing, right libertarians?

Propylene glycol does not give you cancer, dummy.

Anything chemical sounding gives you cancer and vaccines give you autism, maaaaannnnnn. Dihydrogen Monoxide is the worst - people die all the time from inhaling that shit.

Oh is that what their scientists say? brb, have to also read a study by exxon funded scientists about how there is no climate change.

Fake troll is fake.

Yeah inhaling refrigerator coolant into your lungs, what could go wrong.

Well, you better tell all the people with asthma that they're doing it wrong, because they all use the same PG in their inhalers.

Go on, start making phone calls.

Pesticides, any packaged food, and e cigs now.All giving people cancer and shit for profit.

So we end up with less people? I don't see a problem here.

relax mr. ventura, educate yourself

I heard that polyethylene glycol is the main ingredient in thermite paint!

Yea they made a device to stop one of the most dangerous habits in the world. Seems like the free market is doing pretty well.

it's 2014

Because a chemical company lobbied them and got them to contract the chemical company for their entire supply of bread.

Pesticides, any packaged food, and e cigs now.All giving people cancer and shit for profit.

It's just as likely that the tobacco companies are funding this anti-e-cig research because it threatens to cut deeply into their constantly shrinking profits.

I'm pretty sure it's the same cig companies releasing this e-cig stuff. It's all bottom line.

THE CORPORATIONS MMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNN

Yeah the banks, BP, defense industry, GM, never do anything to harm people and get away with it.

it's 2014

Who thinks about taking up smoking? You just end up doing it. It's not really a good thing.

Unless I missed your sarcasm. In that case, shoot me with AIDS.

EDIT: I get it, I have AIDS. Jesus.

The FDA does regulate the individual components. Once you add nicotine to the mix the FDA can no longer regulate it. The Gov will start to tax it as a cigarette. Sucks for the people trying to find a viable option to smoking.

Cereal is inspected by the FDA because of rodents and other critters that make their way into farm fields and factories. You realize that a certain amount of rodent poop is considered ACCEPTABLE by the FDA?

nicotine is a drug, and it can kill you.

That's great. Water is NOT a drug. It can kill you if you ingest it in large quantities in a short time. It can also kill you if you inhale it in large quantities.

Your argument is lame. I don't necessarily disagree w/ your viewpoint, but you need to learn how to better present your position. Also learn how lax American laws are regarding chemicals in our food, cookware & other consumer products.