The only thing worse than people who know jack shit about music, are music snobs.

You like what you like.

we're looking at you Joe Derosa

huh? i'd much rather talk to a music snob than someone who has no idea

Sounds like you're a music snob too then.

If you mean I like music, then yeah.

Everybody likes music. Do you like eating too?

Everybody likes eating. But some people know a lot about food.

And some people think they are better than others because they hold a different opinion.

Yeah?

Yeah. Go to a very nice restaurant. You'll likely find no salt or pepper shakers on the table, because the food snob chef has decided that he knows how your food should be seasoned better than you do.

That's snobbery. Don't tell me what I should like. I know what I like!

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added the word "find" to the 3rd sentence.

I like that actually. The chef knows way more about food than I do and I came there to eat their food, so I want to taste it as they intended. Would you tear out a page of a book because you didn't like that chapter? If I go to see a movie by a director I like I don't skip the scenes that bore me.

If you want to decide what to eat, don't go to that nice a restaurant, and if you do, than that's what you should expect. If you don't give a fuck go to McDonald's, you can use all the salt you want.

I like that actually. The chef knows way more about food than I do and I came there to eat their food, so I want to taste it as they intended.

Good for you. Does the chef know how you like your food seasoned?

I'm paying for a meal. It's food, it's not a work of art. If it's bland, I'm going to put some salt & pepper on it & the chef can go fuck himself if he doesn't like it. I don't work for him. He works for me.

Music is the same. You like what you like. I really couldn't care less if someone wants to pay to see a cover band play someone else's music.

No you're not. You're not paying for the food at a high class restaurant. If you just want food go to a supermarket. You're paying for THAT GUY'S food. It's not about how you want it seasoned, go make it yourself if that's what you want. He's not a vendor dispensing a service, it's an art. You don't buy a painting and start painting over it unless you're a fucking idiot.

I don't really know what you're saying about the music. I was just saying that I'd rather talk about music with a music snob because at least they know music. Just like I'd rather talk about food with a chef instead of you.

My god you are clueless. Its okay to like everything. You can like jazz and you can like cover bands. If they like a cover band then who cares. Its an opinion and it sounds good. It might not take the most talent but its still enjoyable.

If you need me to relate for food for you then think of it this way. I love lobster. But that doesnt mean that I wont eat a cheeseburger and fries for lunch every once in awhile.

Liking a cover band doesn't all of a sudden make someone know less about music. They are fucking radio DJs. They know a hell of a lot more than you.

Well said. Thank you.

Did I say it was wrong to like everything? Ever, at all? All I've fucking said is that a music snob knows more about MUSIC. Like, someone that's really into music can tell the difference between two instruments better than some random guy. People that are really into music know more about music. It doesn't make their taste better or one type of music objectively better than another and I never fucking said that so I don't know what you think you're arguing with me about, because I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying other than you shouldn't get bent out of shape about restaurants not giving you salt. For fuck's sake man, did I say ANYTHING about cover bands at all this whole time?

Did I say it was wrong to like everything?

No. You're just a sheeple who enjoys being led by the nose.

You're paying for THAT GUY'S food. It's not about how you want it seasoned, go make it yourself if that's what you want. He's not a vendor dispensing a service, it's an art. You don't buy a painting and start painting over it unless you're a fucking idiot.

I don't know how to address the idiocy of your comment, but I'll try:

Let's start here:

It's not about how you want it seasoned, go make it yourself if that's what you want. He's not a vendor dispensing a service, it's an art.

You missed the part where Chefs of all stripes are VENDORS who provide a SERVICE to CUSTOMERS. I can buy all the ingredients that any given chef uses at my local supermarket, as you mentioned. The chef provides the SERVICE of cooking my food. The restaurant owner provides the ambiance & (hopefully) servers who know what they're doing.

I don't really know what you're saying about the music. I was just saying that I'd rather talk about music with a music snob because at least they know music. Just like I'd rather talk about food with a chef instead of you.

The problem being that you assume both the food snob and the music snob know what you like or what is "good" better than you do. Do you not have a mind of your own?

Nope. A McDonald's worker is a vendor. A chef is an artist. Directors are not providing a service. Writers are not providing a service. They are creating an art. When you buy a book you don't get the writer's manuscripts and get to decide what chapters you want to include. You don't get the unedited film and decide how you want to put it together. You do get that access with food because it's food, but that doesn't make it less of an art. If you just want the service of having your food cooked for you, go to a lesser restaurant. If you go to high class place with a renowned chef, that guy is in pursuit of art. It's not about what you like.

Directors and writers aren't making my dinner or performing live music for me. Try again.

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You are the king of missing the point.

Alright try to understand this because this is the last time I'm going to try and explain it to you. Try to follow this analogy, I'll make it as simple as possible.

If you hire a guy to paint your wall, they should paint it to your specifications. That's food, that's your "dinner". They're providing a service, and they should do it to your taste.

If you buy a painting, you get what that artist created. It's art. If you go to high end restaurant, that guy is making art. Not your dinner. You get what he made. You wouldn't buy a painting, then whip out your watercolors and start smearing over top of it. That'd be an insult. You don't buy high end cuisine and start dousing it in table salt. That'd be an insult.

If you want a painting painted to your specifications, you commission it. That costs a lot more money. If you want high end cuisine made to your specifications, you hire a personal chef. That costs a lot more money.

There's no other way to explain this. You don't seem capable of distinguishing between something your eating for survival (dinner) and something created for aesthetic purposes (art). The fact that you're referring to a high quality chef as a guy making your dinner is a problem with your thinking. If you can't recognize that then there's no use continuing any farther.

There's no other way to explain this. You don't seem capable of distinguishing between something your eating for survival (dinner) and something created for aesthetic purposes (art).

Dinner is not created for aesthetic purposes. It is food, and its primary function is to be eaten and give nourishment to those who eat it.

I'm not a lion who is killing a zebra on the savanna. I'm a CUSTOMER in a fucking restaurant. My food should be prepared the way I like it, or the chef can do a Bill Burr & Go Fuck Himself/Herself!

I cook and bake (just like Billy Redface, but I've been doing it for a lot longer than Bill.)

I like cooking and baking and I KNOW how good food should taste, just like the people who like cover bands know what (in their minds) "good" music sounds.

The fact that you're referring to a high quality chef as a guy making your dinner is a problem with your thinking.

Try again, you clueless douche. When I'm in a real restaurant, the "high quality chef" might be the guy in charge, but the guy who actually cooks my dinner is probably an underpaid illegal Mexican working 80+hrs/ week for cash.

You talk about food being only for nourishment then go on to argue about how it should taste. That doesn't compute. If you're just eating for nourishment then taste is irrelevant.

Also, you seem to have a different definition of high end restaurant then me. I really don't want to have this discussion with someone that doesn't get art and doesn't even know what I'm talking about when I say a high end restaurant. I'm talking chefs, if your cuisine is made by an illegal mexican than you aren't talking about a high end restaurant.

Get some fucking class and learn some taste.

your reading comprehension skills are lacking. Note the word "PRIMARY" in my first sentence.

I have plenty of class and taste. Get back to me when you find a restaurant that doesn't employ illegal Mexicans.

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2nd sentence.

The fact that you're referring to a high quality chef as a guy making your dinner is a problem with your thinking. If you can't recognize that then there's no use continuing any farther.

Or further. Whatever.

The fact that you think a "high quality chef" actually cooks ANYTHING in an expensive restaurant exposes your ignorance or stupidity.

I don't think we're going to the same restaurants. You sound like you're talking about Applebees, in which case, you're right. Have a nice night.

You fail to address my points & then insult me.

Try the macaroni au gratin at Parc in Philly. It willl be the best appetizer you've ever eaten. After that, you can try the braised beef short rib, and then you can shut the fuck up and die in a fiery car crash. Have a great night.

Well, good for you.

I'm not sure cover bands are the lowest form of musicians. They're just playing music people like and know and it's not like they're ripping off the original musicians financially - most venues pay a blanket licensing fee to have musicians perform covers. Musicians and labels actually count on that money as part of their income stream.

It's not like anyone can just be in a cover band - you still have to be able to perform the song competently and have enough stage presence to where people don't just get bored. And even the greatest bands who write their own material probably started off mostly playing covers.

Its real, steady and relatively secure income for a lot of musicians. Being excellent at your instrument and craft means fucking dick, you need a gig. People will pay for a mediocre cover band but more than likely not an excellent original. Just the way it works, nothing but respect for people who make a living in that circuit.

I've found that it's sometimes more difficult to play cover songs. If you wrote the songs yourself, there's way more room for improv, and mistakes can often go unnoticed.

being a good musician is one thing, being original and being able to write your own music is another, yeah they can sound just like queen but queen already does queen, if im at a bar and a cover band is playing i enjoy it but its not something i would seek out.

Being in radio, they've probably heard a lot of these songs a billion times. It might be a nice change for them to hear a different take on the classics.

They sounded like HooHoo talking about judging acts on AGT.

We all have our bizarre loves. Jimmy loves women with penises, Same & Erock love wrestling and O&A love cover bands.

And Colin Quinn loves Bobo!

I don't care

I'll sound like some kind of transcendentalist faggot but who the fuck cares. The way I look at things, you should try to like everything if you're a musician because there's SOMETHING to learn from any note that's been played. Now, as a listener and not a musician, it's a different story, but I don't know that there's really a hierarchy to music beyond putting abstract expressionist noise music at the bottom of the ladder.

aren't they considered the lowest form of musicians

Um, no. Technically, every symphony in the world plays covers.

Not really. Symphony Orchestras typically play classic works written/composed by musicians who have been dead for centuries.

It's quite different than a cover band playing Journey or U2 music when those two groups are a)still alive and b) still producing new music (U2) and/or touring (Journey.)

Technically, as in cover bands don't play music they have written. Neither do classical musicians. Point being, cover bands are not the lowest form of musicians.

I agree w/ you. Sorry if my comment made it seem otherwise.

Not at all. :)

Jezus Christ! Does anyone have anything nice to say about the show?

This place is the new wackbag.

you know less than O&A do about music,obviously.

Because bands are fucking assholes who don't play the songs you want to hear so it makes more sense to cut out the hassle, find a decent cover band and actually enjoy a show.

Queen sucks.

Did I say it was wrong to like everything? Ever, at all? All I've fucking said is that a music snob knows more about MUSIC. Like, someone that's really into music can tell the difference between two instruments better than some random guy. People that are really into music know more about music. It doesn't make their taste better or one type of music objectively better than another and I never fucking said that so I don't know what you think you're arguing with me about, because I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying other than you shouldn't get bent out of shape about restaurants not giving you salt. For fuck's sake man, did I say ANYTHING about cover bands at all this whole time?

Well said. Thank you.